recruiting industry (solo show)

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Hello, hello. Thanks for listening to guidance counselor 2.0. Listen, I want to give you a quick rundown of what this podcast is and what you're about to get into as you listen to these episodes. We had guidance counselors in middle school. We had guidance counselors in high school, but we didn't really have guidance counselors in college and now as professionals. We don't really have anybody to turn to to ask a quick question to learn something about the job search or to navigate your career. And so that is what I want this podcast to be for you. I want it to be a tool for you to navigate the job search and your career.

So that being said, I hope you enjoy this episode. And if you need to reach me, Taylor at vacovac.com is how to get in touch with me old-fashioned email social media at tdsintdesse. And then finally, please rate and review this in the app store because I want this to be discoverable for others so they can navigate their careers. I hope you enjoy the episode. So let's dive in again. Questions here. I'm kind of winging it. They only have major topics, but I want to get on and hang out with you all this morning. So I really appreciate y'all and I actually really enjoy hanging out with y'all.

When you comment, I feel like I'm in the room with y'all. So that really means a lot. So we're going to go back up to Vince's question about chat, GPT effects on the recruiting industry. Listen, I'm going to be honest with you. I have not played with chat, GPT a lot because I've been, because I'm in busy. But what I've seen and what I've heard, I think it's interesting. There's a lot of people that have used it to build resumes. At the end of the day, so I've talked about AI and automation replacing the recruiting industry before chat, GPT was released. And at the end of the day, I never think the recruiting industry will go away because people need to make relationships with people.

And that is what makes this whole industry work. Right. I was on a call with a tech person, he was like, but you don't code. And I was like, a lot of college football coaches haven't played football at a high level. I'm a big college football fan. But haven't played at a high level. They've either coached high school. They've started through being assistant and they've just been around the game. So a lot of college football coaches, football coaches, they've just been around the game. Right. They haven't necessarily played. I'm sure they've played growing up, but they haven't played at a high level with whether coaching.

And so for me, for me, I think at the end of the day, what I told the individual is, I'm like a football coach. I haven't played at a high level. I haven't done the coding, but I've been around it. I've been around it and I can talk game enough where I understand it. And I just think, chat with GPT, I'll be able to integrate it in areas. I think there's a lot of automation that needs to occur in the staff industry in general because there's a lot of manual processes. A lot of manual processes. And so I think chat GPT will be used. I just don't think it'll totally replace the industry.

Most of the interest here, real stocks as well. John, come to you. I chat GPT seems to be coming for everyone's job. See, I don't think it is. I just think that's the knee-jerk reaction. Oh my gosh, it's coming for my job. No, you're just going to be able to integrate it and maybe help with your job in certain ways. Let's see here. So Esther brings up something I want to address here. And Esther, I really appreciate you being open and vulnerable here this morning. I'm looking for a job. It's going very badly. I'm starting to have my program. So I'll tell you this. Esther, and I know there's a lot of senior engineers on this show right now.

I talk, I talk a lot about seniors and juniors dealing with the same thing. I've had a bunch of senior developers feel like they're, they get beaten down. The interview process beats you down. It just does. It just does. And so for me, be patient. Be patient because you will come back on top. But I will promise you, Esther, being on these things networking and makes all the difference in the world. Your programming skills are fine. I'm sure they are. You got to amp up your networking, right? Being on this show, commenting like this, bringing attention to yourself, DMing people, all that. That's the game changer, right?

So again, listen, I've had senior developers doubt their interviewing skills, doubt their programming skills, seniors, staff level, right? It happens to everybody. So don't get disappointed. Keep showing up to these things. Keep interviewing, keep taking notes, keep trying to improve yourself. I promise, I promise you'll get a job. But I'll tell you this and I'll tell you what it is. My one person a day, Esther, that you need to have a conversation with. So if I were you, I would try to have one conversation with somebody on this chat today. Hey, what do you do? How can I get better? What is your tip on the job search?

How can I get better programming? That's the unlock when it comes to the job search. Bridget comes in here and goes, what's the hiring trend looking like this quarter hot or not? So I'll tell you this, right? I mean, I get this question of time. It's still good. It's still good to be totally honest. My team put nine people to work this month, to put it in comparison. My bench, my baseline is 10, right? And we're a new division. So not bad. Could we do better? Of course. I do think the industry has slowed down a little bit. I'm not going to sit here and talk about rainbows and sunshines.

The tech industry has taken a little bit about, tell you this, it's not as bad as big tech. It's hiring still going on. Like I said, Barrett just got a job. So like things or people are still getting offers and hiring. I just don't think at the quite the clip that it was at. Nick, it's great to see you this morning. Rabbit, rabbit, wish, good luck when it was from New Hampshire. I love it. I love it. I love it. Thank you, Jennifer. Let's see here. And I thank you for tuning in. I appreciate it. It means a lot. Let's see here. I started YouTube channel in JavaScript.

Here we go, right? I'm going back to Esther. You know, how can you separate yourself? If you have a topic that you love, start something like this, right? Yeah, John comes in and helps Esther network network. Now, right, there's so much more tech jobs out there than just working for a tech company. My first job was at a screen printer doing legit rails full stat. My mother's co-workers husband hired me. So John breaks up a great point. I'm supposed to be talking about the recruiting industry, but we're kind of going down a networking trail right now. Listen, your next job is most likely going to be somebody in your contact, in your context, in your phone.

I always say your phone book. I don't know when the last time I had a phone book, but like your next job will probably be somebody in your ecosystem. So go back into your ecosystem. My dad found a job after three months of being, you know, let go from somebody in his network on LinkedIn, right? So it usually comes there. Let's see here. What are your thoughts on digital career fairs better or worse than in person? You know, Alex brings up a great question here. And now, networking, networking events are hard. Career fairs are I think are harder, right? Because career fairs like there's booze, you go up to them.

It's really hard to build an intentional relationship relationship. What I would do if I were you, Alex, is I would go to a career fair. So to answer your question, I think in person is going to be better, but there's going to be a lot of work on the back end for an in person career fair. And and and and and here's what I would do. I would go to career fair and I try to get as many business cards as it's humanly possible. I would try to not even business cards. I would try to connect with every single booth, every single person on LinkedIn.

And yes, probably Taylor, that's really going to be awkward. Hey, what's your LinkedIn handle? Doesn't matter. Do it. Then after the career fair, you go home and you message everybody and then you get a 15 minute meeting with everybody, right? What happens is you go to a career fair. These people career fairs meet hundreds of people. That maybe thousands of people depending on how big the career fair is. They're not going to remember you. So what you need to do is you need to go shake their hand, get their information, connect with them, then follow up online, then do a zoom call, right? Most people just go to career fairs and hope something happens.

Nothing's going to happen in a career fair. Or maybe it is, but not not many things. What happened there? That's where you need to follow up with them afterwards after the career fair. Let's see here. Let's see here. A.I. chat will never replace people play with chat. GPT is not much better than previous chat bussers. But yeah, again, Baron, if you want to throw up that link so people can look at that. That would be good. Good morning, everybody. Mr. comes in and goes, I've been in front and developed three years between which I'm right now. Yeah, I mean, listen, I so you're not doing anything wrong.

I said there's a lot of people that I know that have actually come and told me this, right? That a lot of things are going south on the final final interview. That's because companies are just scared to hire right now. Again, I always say this, I think 60 to 75% of the interviewing process and the reason why you get rejected isn't because of you. It's because of internal issues, right? A lot of times budgets aren't signed. A lot of times they get to a final round and HR cans the position, right? Then they just put it back on you saying, hey, you were lacking in this.

Instead of just saying, hey, listen, we got ahead of our skis. We shouldn't have interviewed you. We're sorry. That just never happens. Let's see here. I love this. Y'all are chatty today. I dig it. I dig it. Let's see here. John comes in. Every career for I've gone to always said go home and apply online to me. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's I think career fairs in the thing of the past. I think if you go to them, I would absolutely just go to the in person one and then do that work afterwards. Let's see here. Good morning. Let's go see you. Excited or scared?

I think it excited. I think it could be great for writing job. Oh, 100% offer letter V. Oh, yeah. I just think most people won't really know how to use it. Right? So yeah, I like that. Yeah, don't give up. I spent eight months again and Barrett senior. Right? So again, it happens for a long senior seniors. I love it. Let's see here. Kind of going. JC, it's great to see you can confirm interviewing rough. Exactly. It took me six weeks to apply to a job and says, I didn't think I made all the criteria to just apply 100%. Grant comes in. I would chat with other people on the chat.

I'm the only one here on YouTube. Graham is great to see you. Yes, I am live on YouTube as well. Let's see here. I found my mentor through the show. Hey, there we go. See exactly showing up to these things, networking on these things is so key. And you're probably like Taylor what when it comes to networking, what do you mean by networking? I talk about it on my podcast, right? Three slides of the DMs meet with somebody for seven, eight, nine, 10, 11 minutes. Talk about them. Talk about like one question to execute on and then move on. Right? So again, I love that so much.

Let's see here. One of my biggest takeaways from Leon Knoll is that he tells us to take our emotions out of the job search. Yeah. I mean, listen, it's hard. I mean, first, it brings up a great point. It is hard to take the emotion out of the job search. One of the things I say time and time again is I think when you get an offer, you need to be asking so many questions. You're trying to talk yourself out of the offer. And that's hard for people. But like Taylor, I've worked for this offer for six months. In bear's case eight months, I got the offer and you're telling me I should question so much.

I'm trying to talk myself out of an offer. Yes, the reason for that is intentionality to make sure you're stepping into a place that is a good place to step into. But at the end of the day, try to take emotion out of it. It's really not you. Like I said, 70% of the time is probably not even you. Let's see here. Bear comes in networking. I love this. You guys are on fire today. networking is key. The job I found was rolled over the integrated four years ago. Bear, that's awesome. I love that so much. Let's see here. Link to my blog post. Check out bear it when it comes to chat.

GPT. I've received so many positions. Yeah, I mean, listen, I mean, yeah, that's a thing. Companies are there. There's a lot of companies testing the water, getting people to interview. No, we really don't need this position. So there listen, companies overhired. And then companies are laid off and now they're trying to reallocate the current people into the, into the positions that were laid off to take the workload. It's just, it's just a mess right now. It's just a mess. And quite frankly, I don't see this mess getting any better until the end of this year. I think it's going to be a lot of stop and start.

That's what I'm saying. If I was a job search for right now, I would come to these live shows like this. I would try to be present in every single live. I would connect. I would DM. I would have conversations. I would try to fill up. If I do not have a job, I would try to fill up my. eight to five every day with networking. If you don't have a job, you should be working eight to five every day on networking, right joining slacks, joining disc chords, you know, being engaged in them, going to live events like this, right? It's just, it's just all of it.

It is a full time job for sure. Um, oh, the stories. Oh, yeah, listen, the stories about why people reject are absolutely insane. Thoughts on a cover letter. I get this question a lot. I don't, I am not good at cover letters and the well, I don't use, I don't have experience with cover letters a lot. I know how to write a decent cover letter, but recruiters, especially agency recruiters, take place of cover letters. That's why you have to meet with us. So we can highlight your background. Some companies need want to cover letter. Here's, if you want to cover letter, it needs to be super, super short into the point.

So Bridget, if, if, if, if I ran into you in the hallway at Beiko and you're like, hey, Taylor, I'm interviewing for a job and I say, hey, Bridget, like, that's great. What do you do? Like, what are your biggest successes in your career? That's what goes on the cover letter. When you run into an L when you run somebody an elevator for 30 seconds, 45 seconds and you need to highlight real, your cover letters, your highlight real. So I think you need to have a cover letter. I think it's great to have a cover letter because it'll teach you what your milestones are in your career.

So you can better communicate that in the interview. Cover letters are hit or miss with hiring managers. Let's see here. Yes, I am on YouTube. Let's see here. See, but then again, right? Barrett as hiring managers never read them. So it just depends. I would have them. I would just have one. I would keep it updated. I think it's incredibly important. Let's see here. Emotionalist job search. When you hear no, they're saying not yet. I love this. Emotionalist job search. When you hear no, understand is not yet and then look at why if you cannot love that. Question everything you have to make sure the place is right.

Yeah, again, I know it's a mind fuck. There's no one who I said, no, it's a mind fuck. If you've been job searching for eight months and you have like $1 in your bank account, like I get it, right? And that's going to be your decision. But for me, like you need to step into something that you enjoy. So you need to ask questions. Let's see here. Love me your point. Networking and y'all don't just network. You need a job. You have to sow the seeds 100%. Yeah. Yeah. Again, I would network. It's coming to these things, right? It's coming to these things. Oh, that's your cool.

That's it. All right. Cool. That was amazing. Thank y'all so much. That was awesome. Did not expect y'all to show up like this because it was super last meant. I was a few minutes late. So thank you so much. I love y'all to death. Um, tomorrow unicorn finders, go check it out. Um, type in the unicorn finders and LinkedIn search. We'll be live tomorrow with a startup out of Austin who pivoted during COVID. They went from live streaming into sports betting. So going to be a great conversation tomorrow. And Friday is my recruiters anonymous segment with a recruiter over in the UK around the recruiting industry.

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