persevering through trauma with vulnerability w/ reggie ford

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[Music] all righty alrighty good morning everybody um so this is the uh first guidance counselor 2.0 back from a two-week break um uh two weeks ago I was at render ATL um down in Atlanta so that was amazing um and then uh last week honestly life just happened last week um it was a very busy very hectic um and so couldn't really um honestly find the will to kind of come on live so I just was like you know what I'm gonna house it for the week um and not really put pressure on myself but we're back with a full week of guessing today it's

my friend Reggie um for for those of you like you know that sounds weird basically um uh James Quick James Q Quick introduced us and James James Q Quick always says uh this is my friend Reggie and so literally Reggie is in my phone as my friend right so I'm really excited I got people tuned in so so real quick when you're tuned in say hey drop a line um we'll love to hear from you um you know again this is a networking platform right I tell people like say hey show up be consistent um there are people who have found jobs mentor mentees on

this show new friends um and and a reminder if you connect with people on the show please send them a note in the DMS um I can't tell you the amount of people are like I get so many messages from this show but I don't know where they're coming from or how they met me so please if you connect with people on the show please send them a DM um uh and just tell them hey saw you on guidance counselor 2.0 next ask questions listen I'm gonna be honest with you this conversation may be a little heavy um but it's good um Reggie and I

like heavy conversations we're talking about that offline we like being um authentic and vulnerable vulnerable and so that's what this podcast is gonna be about so if you have questions please ask um and we will get to them for sure uh so real quick want to give shout outs to people who are tuning in and we'll Jump Right In Deb it's great to see my man Alex Mark Shashi uh it's grea t to see you Lambert Sophia Brett Alex Paul um uh Reggie what's up Bella's here Michelle bill it's great to see y'all as well um awesome all right Reggie well that's enough of me

running my mouth let's just uh let's just oh well no I do need to give a shout out I didn't give a shout out to my coffee sponsor that conference so I am speaking at that conference uh next month as a keynote um and actually Reggie my keynote is you're not alone yes talking about how there's people around you that want to help you more than you think throughout your career your personal life so I think there's gonna be a lot of tie-ins so but if you do want to buy coffee the coffee's legit it's literally right there use the code gc2 for a few

bucks off and I'll see you you in at that conference oh look who it is James is here it's good to see you James Taylor lad he's never done no I'm never done it all right cool red just get the people what they want quick intro who are you uh what do you do what have you done and then we'll go from there I am Reggie Ford uh I think you can see act author ad advisor Advocate activist and those things are something that has has kind of happened over the course of my life as I've gotten so passionate about different things but I am

a normal guy I am I am a dude who's trying to figure it out like everybody else but I think I've I've had some some great great things that happened and I've had some terrible things that happen and I like to highlight both because I think that highlights The Human Experience yeah and um but I am in on the author side I wrote a book perseverance through severe dysfunction just just wrote a book located I just wrote that wrote that one day and uh became a bestseller it's about it's a memoir about my life centered around Mental Health and Social Justice and it's really the

most vulnerable expression to date that I've had to the world where I put out so much of my soul and it's allowed me to connect with people on such a deep level and because I'm talking about life I'm talking about the things that we don't show on LinkedIn on our resumes and things like that but impact nearly well I think impact all of us because we all have a brain in our head um the the advisor piece I started a company called Rose Creek wealth management back in 2018 uh working with uh initially professional athletes on managing their money managing their assets and then his

transition post covet toward working with a lot of different folks um from different backgrounds different professions and it's super rewarding because I grew up in a place where wealth wasn't talked about where we didn't have much money at all and so to be in the position that I'm in to help other people with their financial decisions with their financial lives is just huge for me and then a huge mental health Advocate we'll talk about that I'm sure plenty today and and then from the activist standpoint um it is I believe that everything should be for everybody and that Shout out to everyone who is celebrating

pride month um you got an ally right here you got Men's Health you got um so many people that um need need allies and support and I think that the world should be a place where we all feel loved and and included so that's what I that that's a little quick summary of who I am I love that so so let's uh we had a few more people tuning in this morning um let's see here uh uh Alex I definitely need the Bean Juice this morning um let's see here uh James drinking that coffee as well it's a good one check it out uh Eric

it's good to see you will it's good to see you type away thank you so much for the kind words hey it's good to see you as well Chris back at you brother all right so so Reggie I want to dive in a little deeper right tell me your story right let's tell the people your story you know I think um I think you have an amazing story right and I think I think you can teach people more with your story than actually lecturing at them so if you w ant to take it back man and and kind of dive into that and then we

can ask questions afterwards absolutely and I'll try to um I don't know give you enough detail without skimming over all the good stuff so yeah yeah uh I I'm I'm a Nashville native uh shout out to anybody who's in Nashville I don't need to be put in the museum there's like three of y'all here and uh I grew up growing up was was I mean seeing where I am today versus where I grew up you you almost wouldn't believe it but my mom she was 14 years old when she had me and um that came with a lot of struggles I came with a lot

of uh Financial struggles a lot of social issues a lot of mental and emotional things that uh got normalized over the years and so it was it was me her it was uh a lot of other family members because I think it takes a village to keep that 14 year old surviving let alone the baby that came out of her and uh so yeah we we had we had a lot of family around most of my families here in Nashville but growing up I I just was really good at academics I think that was something that separated me early on was I could see a

concept pick it up and run with it and so when I got into school that separated me early on from different people in my class from different people in the neighborhood and add the component of Athletics because I just naturally gifted when it came to anything that I touched in in terms of sports um that really helped set me aside until a point where I got into a private school for high school which I've been multiple places across the world but making that transition from seventh grade to eighth grade going from a school in the hood where 99 of everybody was black and coming from

a situation like me to a school where at the at the time I was the only person identifying as black in my class in the eighth grade um not in the same socioeconomic status as most people it was the biggest culture shock in my life yeah and it still is to this day and I can't even I can't even think how I was able to uh endure all that because it was so much pressure on me to perform to um to do so in a way that didn't compromise anything that I was standing for and the people that I was representing while I was there

and so I did but I but I did it and I I I enjoyed some parts of it I am scarred by many parts of it as well as you can imagine and uh but but it helped it helped change the I think that was one of the pivotal moments in my life where it changed The Narrative of this is what I've known and what everybody else has done in my family versus this is what is out there and uh available um I didn't mention my dad but my dad he he was in and out of my life as a child and uh when I

was eight ended up in prison and for a number of things but primarily selling drugs and so that was kind of you know I knew folks who sold drugs and knew folks who were in gangs I knew folks that that lived that lifestyle and that was kind of the those were the successful people in the neighborhood and I just I remember early on feeling that emptiness of not having him there and thinking I never wanted to do that to a family I never wanted to cause that same pain and so even though it was nice when the the drug dealers the Doughboys came up with

the nice cars and the nice stuff I wanted to get it a a a better way and so that's where like this education was always the key for me yeah I um when I graduated from high school I had a bunch of different opportunities but decided that I wanted to stay home in Nashville and go to Vanderbilt University shout out to Vanderbilt I was there uh this weekend speaking to the football team and um my my uh well the first day of orientation for dining hall jobs is where I met James quick shout out to Quick James Q Quick uh he he he was sitting

there with a group of folks from Memphis and I was I didn't know anybody at the orientation and so I saw them hanging out and I was just like yeah let me go and talk to this this group and then just talk to him in particular because his head was so big like have you seen James's head like dude in the world and I'm like he's got knowledge he's got something he's got knowledge he's got some wisdom that I need to glean from like oh man and like so but no I just Kidd with him but he does have a big head but um now

we we instantly connected and like I'm so I'm so grateful for for that friendship because literally from day one till today we have been nothing but closest brothers and so um but getting in a vanity study economics corporate strategy a lot of business stuff because I thought that you know I wanted to I was very entrepreneurial wanted to start a business doing something and um that was the the closest thing to a business major that Vandy had at the time and then graduate uh walked on played some football with uh evandy Bobby Johnson James Franklin days um won some games lost some games and it

was fun though it was a great experience got to meet some of my best friends to this day and um really just some memories that can be replaced yeah um graduating from there went to uh got a business degree from the business school of Andy um and then started working in accounting which then later turned into Finance because I thought Finance was a little more exciting than accounting and uh started Rose Creek in 2018 almost five years ago uh and yeah um fast forward 2021 is when I released the book so um we can talk about what led up to that but um it was

it was 2019 was kind of the real real climax of it all right where so much was happening with my my family particularly my grandmother who was my rock through all the chaos throughout my life and um and also Mom Dad all the same same characters kept showing up yeah and um but yeah it was it was a point where I had had success I had shown that I was capable of getting through hard stuff but at that moment I was and a place darker than any place I'd ever been in my life and the world didn't know that the world never saw that side

of me they only saw the the well put together you know the perfectionist of me and it just felt fake I felt like my imposter syndrome wasn't showing up and thinking I didn't belong in the job or whatever it was my imposter syndrome was like I'm literally faking every day I wake up because I am dying inside and so I wanted to be my authentic I've always been authentic to who I am but I just wanted that piece of me to show as well because I know that other people deal with it and it's something that should be normalized so that you know I think

through vulnerability is where we heal and I I just that's that's been such a huge part of my life in the last several years since releasing the book oh man there's so many ways there's there's so many um talk let's talk about the book real quick right what what what's it about um you know if you could summarize it in you know 30 seconds or less so perseverance through severe dysfunction available wherever you get your books PTSD is the acronym and so having PTSD which later found out through just more healing and more knowledge uh have complex trauma which is cptsd um looking at that

and thinking damn this could really uh Define me in a way right but I I've not ever been defined by my adversity by my challenges by anything in the past and so how do you reframe that in a way that is more empowering and so changing that acronym from uh post-traumatic stress disorder to perseverance through severe dysfunction and and saying you know I I I have the agency in this story uh but acknowledging all the things that led to the actual PTSD and everything else um and looking back over my my life story but um incorporating historical contexts that kind of shape the way that

things were playing out because I think a lot of times when you when you face trauma you think that you're the only person that has dealt with life that way and it's just not true and I think being able to see you know charts and stats about other people who had had some of the things that were such an anomaly for me in in the the world that I was in uh it just it really helped me in my healing process so yeah I love that I love that you know I I want to ask right so obviously you know we're already halfway through we're

probably gonna go over a little over today folks uh just deal with it but um yeah you know we we talk a lot about you know I I other people's stories right and I think there's a lot of looking over people's shoulders right now right well Reggie's doing this well Taylor's doing that well James is doing this right I I can't get there right and and what what would you tell those folks because again right you had to go from zero to one you were born in a situation that was not ideal you had to be like you know what there's got to be a

change I want to go somewhere else right and and for me never went to counseling in 2018 I hit rock bottom finally got into counseling there are days and again I'd never dealt with depression until 2018 and and for those of you who deal with it consistently my heart goes out too because it was brutal right you never think you're gonna get happy again and you kind of feel like the world's falling apart it's brutal but I took the steps and I got out of it what can you tell people who may be in the comparison game right well I'm never going to write a

book like Reggie or I'm you know what I'm saying so can you can you talk about that first say that that comparison is the thief of all joy like I there have been times in my life even even recently where I've compared the things that I've done which uh you see it and it's like wow that's a huge major accomplishment but then I'm looking at Renee Brown so this many books well Inky Johnson's on this many stages well and it's just like that's that's not my journey that's a whole another person's journey and so I always say like we came in this world alone we're

gonna go out alone and the whole in between is about finding what makes us happy an d fulfilled and you have to put on the blinders when looking at when other people are doing what they're doing because there are so many factors in that like I can I can sit up here and say that it was all my hard work that got to this point but I had a lot of luck I had a lot of opportunities that were presented I had a lot of things that other people just didn't get to to experience right and so you got to realize that um not everyone

has the the backstory and the stuff that that that you have and it's all about making making that one degree shift for yourself every day making getting one percent better for yourself every day and I think it just comes down to Habit like really first is desire I think desire gets overlooked you have to want something you have to want to get a little bit better so having the desire but then having the consistency you know for for like I got a board on the wall and Like Mondays I write one blog post and it doesn't seem like a lot like when you write one

blog post then it's like okay I got something out there but at the end of the year you got 52 blog posts if you go out and say man I need to make 52 blog posts you're gonna be discouraged but if you break it down over the years over the time then it gets a little bit easier it's like eating an elephant one bite at a time don't eat elephants though please don't but like I talk about it especially from writing from a writing perspective and writing a book a page a day is 365 Pages at the end of the year it's a huge book

that's a massive I I yeah I wouldn't read that book it's too wrong exactly and so it but but writing a page today is very feasible so it's about breaking down to having a goal you have to have this goal that's out there but then coming all the way back working your way back how do you break that down into incremental steps because that's the only way to not get Disturbed discouraged and you build that portfolio or repertoire over time yeah Dev comes in here talk about de sire and ambition what are your thoughts on that is there a difference are the same no wrong

answers here on this yeah so for me Ambition is one of my my core values so I I look at that as as different than desire I think desires is a want for something right and and you can have a burning desire you can have a less fiery desire but ambition to me is wanting better right you can just you can desire a piece of cake but like I just I I my ambition is like I want to go from this level to that level and whatever I have to do in between there is what I'm going to do and and so I I I

I ambition is something that if I didn't have it I I think I would get to a place where um I would get very complacent yeah and and sit back and like I'm I'm I think one of the how old am I was up there but 32 years old and I could kick my feet up and be like my and I did some great things and let me Coast off until the sunset but that I feel like there's so much potential that's wasted when ambition isn't there and so I I got it you don't even have desire I think the ambition's execution on the desire

oh I like that yeah I just pick up I don't don't ask me to do that again um and let's talk about this right you know again kind of going back to the vulnerability mental health side of things I mean you I mean you grew up in in in in a setting that probably wasn't very open to emotions and to and to you know being vulnerable when did that click for you right because I'm always interested in people's OG story because was it a moment was it an event was it just gradual um because because I feel like a lot of people want to be

vulnerable I feel like people want to be transparent but they're scared which again I totally get right right for me it's crazy so I was I was last night just listening to some old songs if y'all didn't know James Q Quick is a rapper he's dope ever yeah we've written some songs together and then uh but I was listening to some of my old songs and it's it's wild that so many o f the big moments of my life I have basically codified into a song and um I think one of the earlier ones um I had a friend who who who got murdered when

I was 14 he was 15 years old and I had a cousin who got murdered when I was 17.

I put like these these heavy heavy bars into a song and I was like that was my my vulnerable expression at the time I didn't really share it with many people it was a small group of people that I trust which is totally fine when you talk about vulnerability you don't have to be on podcast you don't have to write a book about it but having at least one person two people that you trust that you can go to and let it out from inside is huge but I think when it came when it when it really clicked from for a from a uh I'm

not afraid I'm not ashamed of telling the world about things because that was what held it back for a lot of times the shame around it all um was uh it was more recent than I than I than I think um it was talking about the book talking about the process of the book with other people is when the shame got to when it released to a public where I got to a public level um but before that I think talking with folks like James talking with my best friend Dee here in town and uh my wife who she she I was looking back at

a text message that she sent me in 2012 and I don't really know what was going on going on at the time but she wrote these words and it stuck with me forever and she said I wish I could absorb all of your pain and that was like the sweetest most caring thing anybody has ever said to me I never felt that before and I thought she would have never known to say that or had that feeling to uh if I never shared anything and so I think stories and and sharing it allows people who are out there that want to help to help it's

a fear that people will use your vulnerability against you but I think when you start to surround yourself and attract the people then you can combat that yeah talk talk about circle of influence here f or a second right I mean again I I think I'm really big on surrounding yourself with people that encourage and uplift you I mean that's why I'm so passionate about my community with guidance counselor 2.0 right the whole you're not alone thing like I don't want people to be alone in their job search I don't want people to be alone in their careers it's kind of in the driver hence

the keynote for July talk about your circle of influence man I'm sure you've had to shed some friends I'm sure it's been tough yes friends family a lot of people so uh actually I talk about when I first got my dog shout out to Rosie um when she was itty bitty got her at six weeks and so when she was itty bitty she didn't shed she's a Rottweiler and I thought okay she's not gonna that's great but around six months this hair everywhere and I have a corgi man I have so much hair everywhere in my house everywhere and and what that signified to me

was that you know in any phase of growth in any time you're growing you're gonna have to shed you're gonna have to shed some unhealthy behaviors unhealthy people in your life unhealthy thought patterns and that's just a part of growth that's a natural part of growth and so over the years like the people like I a lot of my songs talk about this because it I think that is at the root core of a lot of my trauma is the the day one people in my life are no longer there today and uh so like my I don't have a relationship with my mom I

don't have a relationship with my dad today and though that hurts it hurts every day it hurts every time I say that honestly um because I love them and I I wish that we could reconcile and heal that but in order to protect myself and my peace and and keep my sanity I had to create boundaries and boundaries just healthy healthy but tough yes so family's tough I'd say families the thing is because when you when you create a boundary with somebody it's somebody that you love like you don't have to create a boundary with a stranger across the street like I just walk past

it we gotta put out boundaries today man we gotta put you and I gotta put up boundaries today so like if you're having to put up boundaries in somebody that you care about and so uh but yeah I've had to do that and it's it's definitely the the benefits from that have been have outweighed the cost but I mean when you think about like I'm young my parents were young when they had me so like there's a lot of Life lived without those people in my life and um but but friends as well I I I'm again ambition is one of my my values and

I think I come back to my values because I think if the way that I'm operating in Life or the people that you have those listeners real quick so they spill out pale kind of like a bucket so p-a-i-l so the p p is p peace so first and foremost this piece I gotta have peace in my life everything that that I do no drama like it's gonna be peaceful um a is the ambition I is inclusion of all and then the L is love love for others love for myself and the love for myself is something that I'm learning that I needed to to

dive into a lot you know not even to be judgmental but I needed to dive into it earlier and sooner but I'm learning now that uh a lot of the things that pushed me and drove me were out of insecurity and ego and um trying to keep that same drive while also loving myself and not be so insecure yeah it's been huge for me so yes those are mine and you don't have to have an acronym or anything like that but like that's just how I do things and uh you can talk Reggie on the speaker circle with all his acronyms I love it that's

lit that's how I got through school is how I write songs is how I do everything I like it just helps but um what are we talking about um we're not setting about you're setting up address yeah setting boundaries and and so like but there are some people that are still around right so me and James are been friends for nearly 15 years now right I have my other best friend we've be en friends for two almost 20 years now and that's crazy the thing um and and I have a really core group of friends uh from my NBA days we were we were the

the black students from the hood like we were we were we were click tight and yeah um there's one white dude in there uh he was from the hood too though so so he's a family but um it was Finding Community with people that you share similarities with I think um that's that's always you know a part of it all but um when things don't align with your values that's when you start to see the the shedding the the people falling off and dropping out and it's not to say that you don't love or care but it's just you know you you got to look

out after yourself yeah so let's so Paul speak about Community I'm glad you brought that up so Paul goes any tips for creating community in a remote world I'm finding difficult at times you know you talk about community you know and and you do a lot of speaking and and you're kind of out and about you know do you have folks in your community that aren't in aren't in Nashville and if so like how do y'all keep up or what's your advice there it's tough It's really tough and I'm gonna give a shout out to to your community and and the the folks that I've

met at render uh the First Tech conference I've ever been at and I heard so many times I finally got to meet so and so I finally got to meet this person I'm following on Twitter and I think it has to be an investment in in those platforms like a true investment like really intentional on connecting with folks and then taking it offline to where it's a one-on-one conversation I am not a person I'm so much better on with in one-on-one than I am in groups um and there was a lot for me right and and if you're an introvert like and I I think

I'm an introvert at my core people may not believe that but I'm an introvert in my core and so uh being in a big group of people and trying to show the personality and show up and do all that James is probably like he's lying but uh I mean that's a facade sometimes like it's exhausting for me yeah so being intentional on those on those platforms where you can connect with people virtually but then bring it offline and saying hey can we can we do a a 30-minute Zoom or 30 minute whatever call and uh and just really connect and get get past the The

Superficial stuff I think the hard part with community building is that so many people get stuck in in superficial for too long and that just like becomes like okay what's the surface level stuff but get down to the root of it and maybe it's like having questions like let me let me grab so like I have questions I have cards all over my house and so if people come to eat dinner they're gonna get a car a question asked of them but like just uh you know if someone asked you uh why you do what you do how would you answer that um just like

different kind of questions to to really get past the superficial I think is a great way to really build community and figure out who your people are yeah I love that and and and so and so do you agree that like social media is is how you build the connections because I'm trying to get that across to people and so I just want to um in a remote world yeah yes uh yes I mean I don't think I don't think there are too many other opportunities I'm very like I I'm I'm introvert but I can go up to a random person in the grocery store

and and I think first things first like make a com compliment them right I like the way that you walk I don't know something silly but yeah um compliment them because then that guards drop and then you can have like okay just have a conversation with people so I'm really good at just breaking the ice that way um in person um but if if you don't have the opportunity I would say find somebody that's talking about something and instead of just dropping emojis or one word like talk like what would you say to that person if they if they posted what they or if they

said what they pos ted and you had a response to that what would you say put that in the comment and or in the DM and really connect with somebody that way yep yep I love that um so I do want to ask as we wrap up here man um any anything else that we haven't covered that that you want to get out or get off your chest right now absolutely um there is James Quick has a really big head if I didn't say that earlier I just wanted you to know ah oh man title this episode and I love it because I got a

big ass head too and I get picked on all times James you're not gonna start that big head Club big head Club okay but uh but no but on a serious tip um I think so one thing that I've always asked people is how they define success so I'm gonna pose that question to you Taylor how do you define success oh to me I'm posing it to you yes oh damn I I I got it flipped how do I find success you know I think I've I've struggled with this right you know I I work in an organization right now where you are judged every

week and it's public um you know your sales organization your your GM that you bring in is posted every single week in front of the entire company right so for me I have had to I was so tied to my identity with what's on the scorecard and for years right and my mental health was was not good because of that right um but I I made a shift where it's like you know what there is something bigger out there for me than just what's on the scorecard I want to truly like my goal is every Tech person in the entire country to know who I

am and that's not going to be reflective all the time on the on on our scorecard and so for me what does success look like for me it's it's investing in people and helping people on an individual level and to not be concerned with accolades and numbers and money now you know that I've battled with that right I'm not saying like I made that decision and it's all good right you know we talked my wife and I talk about the comparison game all the time and the people who lo ve me they don't care that I don't drive the nicest car or they don't care

that I'm wearing the latest designer brand even though I do want the new off-white reverse solutions that just came out they look great but all that being said like like people the the people in your in your community in your life that truly love you don't care about what you have or what you don't have and and I think there's just kind of been this refocus and reshifting within my heart over the last year or two to be focused on on the the individuals instead of the money I love that that's beautiful I love that so much uh there is so I when I think

of what I want to leave with folks is is your definition of success and realizing that there is this level of wellness and well-being that I feel should be in everybody's definition of success so that you don't feel that you're sacrificing your mental health your uh happiness your joy in order to achieve success it's a part of it you're one and the same and so as you climb as you grow as you connect with more people as you sell more books as you get the better job whatever it is that the priority with mental health and well-being is also there as well and I heard

this quote that was it was some of the best advice that I think I've ever gotten is very short and very sweet but uh it says live for your eulogy not for your resume and well you know what Gary vaynerchuk our friend Gary vaynerchuk says says I I don't care about how much money is in my bank account I care about how many people show up at my funeral that's it right and what they say because they could be showing up throwing Tomatoes at you like what are they saying about you right and I think that is that is what that shift in mindset of

thinking like I gotta achieve achieve achieve uh and shifting to let me connect let me be happy let me let me make the world a better place for myself and for others um is is really at the root of how I would define success so I say prioritize your mental health in everything that you do and if you do that I think success will come that's all of that last question last question we'll wrap it up here so this show is called guidance counselor 2.0 for reason reason we have guidance counselors in middle school high school kind of college um but as adults we don't

really have guidance counselors like we have counseling and therapists which I'm a big fan of but like truly just guidance counselors what would be your biggest career advice to your younger self career advice yeah um be an advocate for myself I think early on I you know the first person to do so many different things and so it was a matter of just accepting everything that was coming so you graduate and then these things these offers come but I I never really advocated for myself I didn't push for for the promotions I didn't push for the opportunities that I really wanted and I think if

I could go back and really be that advocate for myself it would have changed the you know the my career a little bit and uh really helped instead what I did I was like I can't advocate for myself so let me just go start my own thing which is great in itself but sure I think there is there is a time and not everybody wants to do that and so be an advocate for yourself speak up speak often and and know your worth I love that I love that well y'all thank you again for hanging out with us today we appreciate it Reggie where where

can people find you where's where where's the best way to reach it yes uh if you want to uh message me Reggie D ford.com Reggie D Ford and then all of my social media handles I'm probably most active on Instagram is Reggie D at Reggie D Ford on all social media I love it awesome we'll register on real quick second to buy you off here but y'all thank you again for hanging out with us today on guidance constitute please come back to the Reggie hopefully you enjoyed this conversation if you enjoyed this conversation please reshare it um it was obviously very different um and and

if if maybe you know somebody who's struggling with some mental health or or feels alone please share this episode on your LinkedIn so people can see it um tomorrow I have my guy Todd Libby on the show Todd um is passionate about accessibility but we're also going to talk about the job search we're back to job search stuff tomorrow uh but hopefully you'll enjoy the break of job search stuff today Reggie thank you my friend um thank you hanging with you this morning I appreciate it y'all have a good one