managing your strengths w/engineering manager, tiffany jachja

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all righty what's going on everybody good morning good morning it is rainy uh in Nashville and I had some jazz on and I had a candle lit and I almost took a nap um but I didn't because I'd be very tired and I would miss this amazing uh episode so very excited to hang out with Tiffany this morning uh kind of the second the the second guest out of the northern Virginia DC area I did not play in this whatsoever I need to get to get you connected with Neil who runs the software consulting company out of that area yesterday but um for those of

you who are tuning in welcome for another great episode of guidance comes for 2.0 uh with kind of a different topic this morning um I'm really excited you know I always uh catch up with my guests backstage and um and we were kind of chit chatting and what we're going over today is is definitely it's it's still in the same vein of hiring and Tech and culture and all that but it's a little bit more on the personal side especially around managing your strengths making sure you get focused making sure you get recognized in the workplace and then also having confidence as well and so

I'm really passionate about that I feel like a lot of people don't have confidence and you don't need confidence so we're gonna talk about that today um but before we dive in first and foremost say hey we'd love to hear from you um one of the things I talk about a lot on the show is this is a networking platform um I I was kind of given a background about the show to Tiffany backstage and and what I've realized over the last six to nine months is this is a virtual Meetup that happens every morning um I try to create an ecosystem that I would

have loved 12 years ago um and because I didn't know how to find a job 12 years ago I went to business school I didn't know how to find a job I didn't know really what LinkedIn was and so I want to develop this space where you can Network so if I were you I would connect with Tiffany just send her a note say hey love lo ved your episodes today on guidance counselor 2.0 I would network with everybody in the comments I would hop on over to unicorn finders my other podcast because a man can't have too many podcasts and I would connect with

every single founder CEO that I've brought on uh that that episode that podcast and if you do that if you like sit down and really focus your networking for 30 days on the back of this show in unicorn finders you are going to be in a really really good spot after 30 days meeting a ton of people also number two ask questions Tiffany is a wealth of knowledge she is speaking at some really big events upcoming this is a chance for you to um ask questions and not get billed for it right so definitely ask Tiffany some questions um and then also too I I

I I keep forgetting to do this but if you I want to celebrate you I feel like a lot of times in today's world we're always on to the next thing the the next thing we got a promotion on what what's the when's the next promotion I just got to raise when's my next raise right and so if you've gotten a promotion to raise a job you deployed code on uh the long weekend and nothing burned down like give yourself props I would love to celebrate you um if you feel weird celebrating yourself which you shouldn't but if you do feel celebrating yourself please um

feel free to give a shout out to somebody else um in the chat as well I also want to give a shout out to that conference um they I'm drinking the coffee beans so if you like coffee Tiffany if you like coffee you should go check out that conference they sell coffee beans it's great I highly recommend um so go check that out and of course gun dot IO I want to give a shout out to the company I work for listen if you are in need of Engineers and you're tired of working with cruders who send you shitty Engineers we actually have an entire

devrel team and a technical architect team that takes out all of our Engineers on our platform so go check us out so definitely r ight in my mouth um Eugene it's good to see you mark let's go see you Lambert Scott Victor it's great to see y'all Chris go see all this morning so y'all y'all keep saying hey dropping in um when you can so Tiffany let's give the people what they want who are you what do you do and we'll go from there all right hey Taylor hey everyone good morning good day if it's not morning time my name is Tiffany josha I am

a engineering manager at Autodesk and I'm leading a global platform team and I have been in management for close to three years now um just really excited to be here to talk about Career Development and personal power I think it's a really amazing topic to feel empowered in the workplace and that's one thing that I'm very passionate about I love that I love that so uh Tiffany I wanna so I want to talk about just kind of your background quick talk about um you know again just kind of your journey to engineering leadership um you know I've had a bunch of guests on the show

to talk about why go into leadership versus stay an individual contributor so can you kind of talk about your career super high level and really what made you get into people management yeah sure so I describe my background in Tech is very traditional I went to engineering school computer engineering school I thought I was going to be an embedded engineer I did that for a little bit um and then I um I also pivoted into software development because that was like the market at the time and what was really growing in the job workplace so I landed a software engineering gig started to really realize

what my strengths were and a lot of them were around kind of coming into projects and getting them started and really going and so um as I was a software engineer I got more opportunities to lead and that eventually led into leading programs um and being in the community and then as I was completing my master's degree in computer science and machine learning I then pivoted into not just project and pro gram management but actually people management and that was sort of my first foray into Engineering Management leading the data products team at VOX media okay that's awesome what what real quick what should people

keep in mind when they're going from IC to engineering leadership like what's kind of your big like hey be mindful of this before you make the jump yeah I think the biggest thing is who do you want to be or how do you want to be remembered as an engineering leader I think that's like I think the number one question that a lot of people will get when they're interviewing for management roles is what kind of leader are you or how do you communicate you know how to take personal responsibility and I think it really starts from there I I remember when I was still

leading programs I I actually joined a management training it was like a workshop and that was one of the questions that we were asked to really find an answer around like if you were to look back you know at your time working at so-and-so company how would you want people to remember you like what are some words and I think once I started to really put words and a definition around that I knew how I wanted to lead and uh I think it's it's gonna be different for everybody like one thing that I realized was I I said that I wanted the time to be

inspirational and fun and no one else had said that and I was like oh crap here's here's me and my little you know engineering Corner saying in a room full of people that are like really serious about getting things done right like oh I want it to be inspirational like I want people to be excited about how they were working with me and I used to kind of belittle that like oh why didn't I say like diligent or hard working or something like that but then I began to realize that you know just because you say that you want something to be inspirational doesn't mean

that you're not putting in the hard work and in fact in order to be inspirational or in order to get that outcome you really do have to make a lot of sacrifices and sometimes you know you're working on a small team you're working under hard constraints you know someone has to be held accountable but by those whatever it is that needs to get done right and so I realized that part of wanting to be inspirational and leading in that way was also guaranteeing that I could have that environment by kind of buckling down and getting things done and so as I leaned more into like

who I wanted to be as a leader I learned more about myself and how I can contribute and I think that's that's really powerful as well I love that I love that Brett comes in here I'm curious why the switch from embedded you work some on some embedded stuff yeah yeah it was fun um because I had so much of a big interest in computer systems and I was like I love low-level programming I love all of this stuff it's like super it was just like my bread and butter and in the environment that I was in like in the University environment there was just

like a lot of opportunities for me to explore that um and then as I like went into industry and tried it out I was like oh I I actually kind of Miss like being able to talk in bigger group projects and not sitting in a cubicle Farm yeah so I just found that like uh I needed a change of pace and you know during and and the really cool thing too was just there was a lot of hackathons and um I'm a competitive person so there were there were um a lot of just like competitions like coding contests and things like that and it wasn't

really happening in an embedded space at the time so it was like oh you know like let me just get into this and then um and then yeah I just I just went all in on it and it was cool being able to integrate apis and build a whole thing you know in over a weekend I love that I love that uh Brad thanks for the question all right so let's get into kind of me potatoes so um you know the one thing you filled out was you know would love to focus the discussion on getting recognized and noticed in the workplace by building confidence

and self-trust first so again I mean that's that's very heavy it's very deep um so talk about uh really let's just kick it off give me some initial thoughts on that why does that resonate with you right now yeah yeah I think it resonates with a lot of people in different levels because there's always like a conversation like it's I take this as an example right like say you have to have a difficult conversation with someone and you're just dreading it you're like oh I don't want to go into this one-on-one or I don't feel comfortable with this situation so let me just like ignore

it or avoid it and I think the biggest thing is just having that self trust and a confidence to know that you have yourself like that you're completely safe to have that conversation and to share what you're saying and I think that is what pushes people into the next level like being able to give someone feedback lets them kind of see the future as something better right and that's how I see it and so right now in my in like currently in my world that's something that's really important to me and something that I've been growing in because how you do one thing and I've

been telling myself this as well as how you do one thing is how you do a lot of things and everything and so if there's like a situation that I'm in and you know like my day job that's my main source of income right so if I'm earning that main source of income through disrespect or through things that I'm I don't feel personally aligned with that's what I'm perpetuating in my life other places and so that's something that I am just cognizant of and so sometimes when I realize that I'm like I do have to have that conversation crap I don't want to do this

um and and then it goes back into like that self-trust yeah that personal sense of safety and I think that's something that um respect and money and and all the things that we want out of our careers right like the means to be able to support and sustain like a career that's like what it's really made out of you know it's interesting you said something that I want to hone in on especially for engineering leaders is is being safe right I've I've talked with a lot of people and even in my own personal counseling and therapy right about being safe and being vulnerable but you

can't really be vulnerable if you don't feel safe and I feel like as leaders are responsibility is to create a safe place right I've had a ton of amazing leaders on this show I'm super blessed to know you being one of them now and basically one of the things is that like they they would rather their teammates come to them with more bad news than good news because they said if people if my team is comes to me with more bad news and good news that means they feel safe and I feel like that is a very undervalued Topic in the engineering world yeah yeah

it is and oftentimes as an engineering manager you go first with the shovel in exactly exactly so and then and then from uh from a building confidence what what do you see um and Christina Christina checking in here psychological safety for the win yeah 100 um so what what do you see with people in jobs like I feel like a lot of people don't have confidence right they're very unsure especially if you're more Junior in your career and and and I feel like you know me as a manager in the past like I've always tried to empower people like you ever see the table whether

you're day one or you're you're 12 you have a seat at the table so how do you Foster confidence with your teams yeah I think the biggest thing when I look at the word confidence is I look at that root word confide and I think about community and I think about the people that we trust and the people that see us for what we're doing and I really find myself anchoring back into that whenever I do feel unconfident or I do feel like maybe something is missing is being seen in my wo rk and I think that's a really hard thing for a lot of

people starting out right they're like oh what if this doesn't look right or you know what if my code you know pull request doesn't look good yeah um you know what if what if what if what if what if what if and you can always tell yourself that what if what if what if all the way until you know the Sun um and and so I I think the biggest thing when it comes to confidence is slowly finding like people that are willing to see you and what you do no matter what it looks like sometimes you can and and you know you don't have

to start with someone in Tech you don't have to start with your manager if that's not what makes you feel safe that doesn't make you feel comfortable you know but starting to talk about your work starting to put it out there starting to do it in places where you feel safe absolutely what um when it comes to this you know I feel like people kind of you and I talked about this backstage a little bit like kind of sleep walk through their career right there's not a lot of intentionality there's not a lot of trust not a lot of building confidence that's happened what what

what's your biggest piece of advice for somebody who's who's watching this now in the future that is dealing with self-confidence issues in the workplace yeah um I think the biggest thing is to own and start to realize what you want to do in in this lifetime in your career I think a lot of times we Sleepwalk because we follow a path that is not really ours right we kind of go you go into a software engineering role and I I'm I think we've all done this like I've done this before certainly like when I started my career I was like okay I'm gonna be a

software engineer a senior software engineer an architect and all this stuff right yeah that's the path that's not there there's an engine there's a career ladder right like it's right there obviously I'm gonna go and follow it and and then you know you start to read the engineering ladde r and there's all these requirements like oh you have to get certified in this you have to have this many years experience you have to start developing uh features and now you have to take ownership of certain features and all the stuff right like all the things and then you're like okay let me check off this

box check or whatever but then the starts you start setting goals around this and then it starts to not mean anything because it's just it's something on a paper like how does this impact me right like and you start to lose that and I think a lot of times people will lose that sense of like oh why am I earning money like what I A lot of times people will also say this like I want to earn more money but why do you want to earn more money it's not just about the money it's like what money unlocks for you right sometimes it means like

being more well known in your industry sometimes it means being able to support people that you care about right so asking yourself those deeper questions about like what does this really mean to me and like why lets you kind of break out of that like monotonous kind of sleepwalking through your career I love that so much and I think too you know I've I've said this before on social and and on these lives at the end of the day there's only so much money you can make right like unless like you win the lottery right like like there there is for the most part there's

a confined amount in the industry of what you can make right there is a there's only so many titles that you can have right and so I tell people listen if you want to chase the bag and and get the money there's nothing wrong with that but it's like you said why because what's going to happen is you're going to kind of you're just gonna chase you're gonna chase you're going to chase and then you're going to get the raise you're going to get the raise and then you're going to realize you're unhappy right then the you know I want the title I want the

title I want title okay yo u're 28 years old you have a CTO title now what now what right and so again it's it's it's it's understanding what you truly want in your career outside of those and I and I'm not saying to diminish money I'm not saying to diminish titles by any means but I'm saying there there's got to be a why behind it thoughts yeah 100 and there's this um article that I read not too long ago maybe like a year or two ago about hard goals not smart goals you know like the smart goals framework it's like um I think it's like

I I forget like it's measurable like time based you know like it's a way it's a framework for setting goals called smart sensors okay um and I forget what it stands afterwards no no we can Google it now yeah go ahead go ahead um but there's this concept called hard goals which also stands for something else and the hard goals before I lose it stands for heartfelt animated required and difficult and it's just a different framework um compared to smart goals where you know like oftentimes you'll meet with your manager and they'll be like okay to find some some smart goals and in smart goals

if I can find like what it fully stands for I used to know what this I'm still trying to find that specific measurable achievable realistic and time balance oh I like that that would have been hard for me to memorize I'm not gonna lie I used to know what it stood for anyway um they uh they're that's like one thing that a lot of managers will learn in manager training too is like oh how do you set smart goals for everybody and they're like I have a lot of gripes with um professional development Frameworks and things like that because they truly I mean honestly a

lot of times they fail to really connect you back into those like into what we were saying like the why right the why does why does this affect my day-to-day why does this matter to me what is my work really doing in the world right um or what is it really about and so I find that smart or hard goals is like a reframe o f that to ensure that like it's kind of like this checklist that you can kind of run your goals through does it does it make me feel something in my heart does it really line like align with my passions and

I think a lot of times we also forget like the soul aspect of it where it's like your soul actually knows What It Wants What It Wants to do in your career like it's calling you to the next thing we just forget about it a lot of times because we say oh but you know we can make this much money here or like we can get this cool title if I just sacrifice everything else right but the reality of it is like your true expansion things that are truly expanding you isn't something that you have to convince yourself of like it's not something that you

have to sit and be like okay I'm gonna sacrifice this this no true expansion pulls you into like your next version of yourself without all that sacrifice right I love that yeah and I mean for me I mean just a quick quick story and then then I'll get to y'all's questions uh we have coming in right now is you know when I was in the agency recruiting World um we we had every week you had a scorecard so you knew exactly where you snatched up with everybody in your entire company every week right and and they sent it out every week and for the 12

years of my career I would say six of them seven of them I analyzed that scorecard I'm hyper competitive right analyzed it but what I realized is I as over the last six years my anxiety was through the roof I wasn't happy my mood would swing every single week you I'm sure you can ask my wife I was miserable to live with sometimes because of it and so I made a conscious effort to not look at it anymore so for the last five years of the company I worked at I didn't look at scorecard and also too I realized what made me happy and what

made me happy is these type of conversations right and so realistically I actually made less money the last two to three years of my career but I would arguabl y say I was the happiest because I was doing what I was doing and so I've gotten in conversations with circles with my friends and I was like how much does good mental and physical health how much is that worth 40 Grand is it 50 Grand 10 grand how much is it how much is it worth to you and and that's something that I've really been thinking a lot about lately is like yeah I may not

get to where I was anymore but if I'm happier with what I do and I'm able to truly do what I do how much is that worth to me yeah yeah I can't put a price tag on that you really can't you really can't um a few questions coming in here from Scott can you talk about balancing the confidence that comes from being proud of your understanding slash sharing that understanding of what you've learned as a junior and not coming across as someone who can't be taught because that sounds too confident yeah oh my gosh tempering like a little bit of the the narcissism you

know because because they're I mean that's the thing is like if you think of the textbook narcissist right they are going to be too confident too everything to be taught because they're not open to it I think the biggest thing is always as a junior person to ask questions be curious um and and you can be proud of all the things you've found because you are curious right I think it just can it's just continuing to double down into what got you there right so if it was your curiosity your ability to ask questions lean into that more do it some more keep going keep

going right um if it was um something that you did around research like researching information like that was that was your thing do it more show like be in that like let people see you researching Googling reading books talk about the books that you're reading right that just showcases that we have so much more to learn I think leaning into that Curiosity and and showcasing how curious you are is a good way to really showcase that you're a team player not just someone who's l ike so absorbed in only what they are learning that they think no one else can teach them anything because that's

not the reality of it yeah and Scott I will tell you this I don't know you that well man you you come on the shows a lot the even the way that you frame this question shows me that you're not going to come across as arrogant because the what the way you frame this question there's a high sense of self-awareness here right because you because you're asking a question about how to come across confident without being too confident right and to me that already shows enough awareness where be proud with what you do I feel like we as individuals have to be probably more proud

of what we do I feel like you know I've talked about this a lot with interviewing and and Tiffany I'm sure you've seen it time and time again when you interview folks like I feel like we as Society like we're not allowed to talk about stuff that we get an interview process and we can't talk about it because we're just not used to it and so again there's nothing wrong with being confident and bringing your full self to the table and what you can do um and and and like I said if if you're framing it this way I have no doubt that you don't

come across yourself as as arrogant so 100 and in interviews it's a little bit different right because you have to put you have to put your achievements first because I want to say about your skills it's you they're hiring you not your friend not your team yeah yeah the amount of times I've heard sorry I've I'm sorry if I feel sorry if I'm bragging during this call I'm like Now's the Time for you to brag I gotta know what you do so please brag um Nick comes in here the why behind what you do is a sticky part of career development that will keep you

on absolutely I'm loving this talk Murray that means a lot um yep I feel like the industry really favors those who take pride in their work and all their chasing money isn't bad the effort looks different yeah I mean 100 I mean I I feel like the industry yeah and that take pride of their work and they talk about it and I think I think we as most of us on this chat right now need to be able to talk about what we do one of the reasons why I tell you in the beginning of my show to give yourself props is for this reason

I want you to feel comfortable giving yourself props and celebrating your wins um let's see here was working um on team goal management right for this meeting strongly rely on Smart methodology but it isn't perfect 100 nothing nothing truly is perfect um let's see here Devin it's good to see for see you Ryan that means a lot man I appreciate it um let's see here my mother taught me the way to team as a QA uh one thing she said was to get to know your team and get to and get them to trust you then they can work together to solution things learn from

others constantly because everyone comes yeah I think I think this is something that talk talks about enough when you start a new place like you need to endure yourself to everybody like meet people right I mean I started that gun like you know 30 days ago 45 days ago like I've been trying to beat everybody I feasibly can um because that's how you build trust and build a safe place yeah um I actually had a funny story to tell yeah please go ahead anytime um I went into an office I know it's a little bit different now for some people but like any time I

had work in the office I would basically like not pack a lunch so that I could eat lunch with co-workers to just get to know them that's great that's great it's a good it goes far you know yeah it does it really really does listen I'm telling you this Southern Baptists always got to write the closest way to someone's hardest through their stomach so um let's see here I'm just kind of going through here real quick um okay all right cool so all right as we as we kind of start winding down here um so let's talk real quick about um how everything is not

a Sprint it's a mar athon right your career you know we kind of talk about that a little bit what are your thoughts just as we kind of wind down hear our conversation around um actually no you know I I don't want to talk about that I want to talk about that I want to talk about managing your strengths because I'm big on that we haven't really gotten to that yet I grew up a lot of my life from a lot of people telling me that I was too much too emotional right until you're too emotional you're too emotional and what I realized now as

an adult that's actually one of my super powers because it's high empathy it can really resonate with people um what are your thoughts about managing your strengths like why why should people really double down on their strengths yeah I think we were talking about this a little bit as well backstage was this idea of when we're born we're born with a certain like personality that we grow into right a certain level of strengths like personal strengths that just by being born we have those things and I think it's really important to start to get to know ourselves so that those strengths are what help us

grow our careers because those are the things that are naturally gonna carry us through our lives is you know for emotionally intelligent or emotionally sensitive it's something that helps us pick up energies in a important conversation in the community right it helps us connect with other people it helps us relate to other people as well and if that's something that you start to realize about yourself it can also be something that you use as an advantage in the workplace and one thing that I've begun to realize like in different work environments is that I get to bring those those strengths into whatever environment that I

come into and I know how to play those strengths well and that's what helps me get recognized in the workplace I'll tell a story here because I think it's um something that kind of that's something that I've learned to manage over time um so actually like the reason how the the way that I kind of grew my career very quickly wasn't actually through my coding abilities when you think about it because I had no I had no business like becoming a consultant and then just like getting consultant of the Year getting Rookie of the Year getting getting all these like sort of consultant of the

quarter like they had no business picking someone who had just recently graduated from college to highlight it wasn't because of my coding skills there were people who had been in the industry for like 40 years they had you know open source tattoos and like the company's logo tattooed on their arms like they could have like that's not me they could have picked anyone but they picked me and I was kind of one like in the beginning I was like oh I don't know what that is like I'm just so cool right like whatever you just take it for what it is and you're like okay

let's just keep going let's keep going and you play that you know zombie game of career chasing um and I and then I began to realize that like it was just how I behaved at the start of every project like it was just how I got things off the floor like it was how I was organizing work how I was laying out milestones and I began to realize like it's not my favorite thing to do it's actually something that I kind of just autopilot but it's one of the reasons why I'm able to ensure that things are a success and I brought I started to

bring that like into different environments like once I got out of um like that individual contributor role I started like program managing and then I realized like oh crap I'm really good at launching things like let's just keep going like kept doing it right and then it translated into Engineering Management and now like I know whenever my team is going to take on an initiative and things like that when I'm there like at the helm of it like it's good like it just works yeah and I think it's just really powerful to be able to realize like wh at are your strengths and like why

are you being recognized like and and to play to that because that's that's what's going to carry you throughout your career and you know it's not that you have to focus on that it's not that you have to have a title that says manager or whatever it is right like it really doesn't matter but it's just like how do you bring those skills into into to for your benefit right into the workplaces that you have because I also say this like every role has a certain level of skills and like responsibility abilities that are required and that's like sort of where you're focused on and

so if you have a bed of skills that you're not using and you want to utilize them or they make you feel really happy that's like a really great way to like start Hobbies or other interests or other projects or like inform you for the next role that you're going to go into and so there's just so much around um strengths managing that I think um lends itself into other kinds of conversations but you know I'll leave it there there's actually a really great book about strengths-based competencies it's a research that was developed by a company called Gallup there you go there you go I

love it yeah I mean I I think I I think too many of us try to focus too much on our weaknesses and fixing our weaknesses and not enough time doubling down on our strengths and what I've realized in my career is I know what I'm good at and I know what I'm bad at and when I was scaling teams I would surround people that were really good at the things I'm bad at and I would just double down on what I'm good at and it worked great and so you know if you're sitting here and you're maybe like well someone said I'm this or

someone said I'm that I know it's easy to listen to outside noise but focus on what you like to do what your strengths are and then help help that map out your career I mean I mean I'm kind of I I went through kind of a little bit of a career transition I'm doing the thing s I love to do now because I just realized that I'm really good at it and and yeah and I feel like if I was too busy wasting time on um uh if I was too busy wasting time on what I was weak at I wouldn't be where I'm at

right now yeah that's such a that's such a good point like if I had gone through the traditional path of software engineer all the way up to architect I wouldn't be here on this podcast I'd be busy architecting you know I'd be behind the scenes instead of being able to mentor and Coach like really invest my time into career like developing people's careers like and that's something that's really important to realize too is like is that what what what are your strengths calling you to do next yeah yeah I love that all right last uh last three questions Rapid Fire for Tiffany for those of

you who watched um I've seen the comments uh we haven't gotten all of them but I can tell that you all really enjoyed this um so first off um uh what outside of work brings you Joy oh oh my gosh so the art community make brings me a lot of Joy actually it's so healing um so I have like this huge Sticker Collection it's insane I'll do like sticker spreads and supporting like small businesses and stickering like it makes me so happy so like example I love licorice Reds I have like books and binders with the stickers you know how people like spend money on

video games and they'll like whale on video games I will on stickers like I'm a sticker whale um so that's something that really brings me a lot of Joy a lot of joy um second question what tools Technologies Trends Frameworks are you maybe tinkering with on the side that you're pretty interested in right now yeah gen AI okay yeah generate uh generative AI it's it's fun for me I actually have a talk coming up um at devops world next week on uh large language models and generative AI so I'm so excited if you have if everyone wants to geek out with Tiffany on generative AI

stuff shooter message um and then final question u m as we wrap up here today and again thank you for coming on and for those of you who are watching thank you again um for hanging out with us this morning um so a show is called guidance counselor 2.0 because we had guidance counselors in middle school high school and college but now as adults we don't really have anybody to turn to just for General career advice what would be your biggest piece of career advice to your younger self oh my gosh um wow that's that's difficult I I think the biggest thing is like I

would tell myself to know that it's okay like everything is okay I used to put so much pressure on myself to like the future version of myself is out there and like oh I used to avoid conversations like this too like really because it would push me super hard I'd always say like oh well I'm not good enough so I'm never gonna be good enough it's like that black and white kind of thinking where it's like oh well I failed today so I'm gonna fail tomorrow and forever right and I used to do myself to that kind of stuff like I used to say like

oh I actually like that manager boot camp that I had joined like that that training I cried and I was the only one who cried in that because I was like the future version of me is not me right now and who am I right now because I'm nothing I used to tell myself that all the time and it's like no no no no no no no no no no no no you know you you become that person through each action that you take you know if that future version of yourself dresses a certain way if that person chooses something specific they live their life

in that way you can do that you can live your life in that way just by choosing like just by doing like a small like one small thing every day to become that person that's how you close the cup and I used to tell myself like I used to tell myself like do it do it like you know you're so far away and all that stuff and it's like don't beat yourself up over those things it's okay like even if you just do one thing one small thing like even if you just get out of bed and dress the way that you want to be

dressed right like the future version of you would want to be dressed like that counts as a win you're becoming that person you are that person you just have to you just have to like give yourself the chance to live that so that's that would be my advice I love that awesome awesome well you all thank you again for hanging out with us today we appreciate Tiffany thank you so much stay on real quick so I can say body you off air but y'all have a great one tomorrow morning unicorn finders 9 30 a.m Central we're catching up with a Founder out of Miami doing

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