importance of social collaboration w/ashley narcisse, staff swe @ apollo

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Ashley, let's get into it, man. Who are you? What do you do? We'll go from there. All right, cool. My name is Ashley Narcissi Haitian come from a beautiful island of Haiti, of course. I've been in this state since 2010 and I'm a Staff Software Engineer at Apolograph, you know, that's like kind of keep it short. I love it. It's really not short and simple. You know, I've been trying to coach a lot of people and tell me about yourself question. And actually that was short and beautiful. I love it. So Ashley, again, for those of you who watch Now or the Future, I don't send questions.

All this is relatively off the cuff. One, it helps me become a better speaker in communicator. But also two, we can capture really what's on people's hearts and minds in the moment, which I think makes for a better interview than coming up with a bunch of random questions. So I ask Ashley what's on his heart right now? And everything he talked about was around networking and social collaboration, which obviously I'm a big fan of. Ashley, I do want to dive in today, man. What is, you know, you, kind of the summary of it was hackathons and social collaboration, especially after college. Can you break that down and talk about just kind of the thesis of what we're going to talk about today?

Yeah. I think it's, yeah, essentially, wow, that's very, yeah, social collaboration and eventually the true impact in society, I think it's really what it goes. It might not be anything concrete, but I think it's also the spirit of it in a sense, is a big guiding factor for me. So in college, what helped me actually develop my engineering craft, or at least really far in love with software engineering, was the Hackathon community. And my college was, the computer science program was heavily theoretical. So tons of math class before we even do any role programming. So I said, that's kind of a huge barrier to really connect that.

And the Hackathon space was really, where a lot of things in class clicked. But even further of that, it's the space where anyone regardless of your skill set, whether even it's your domain or not, can truly appreciate, learn, get support, and really strive towards something better, regardless of if it's been done or whatnot. So I think there's a lot of that that has evolved in different spaces. Sure. And I think we'll probably just explore that. Yeah, absolutely. So I'm looking at your LinkedIn right now and also to Sonya just coming in with all caps because she's so jacked up. Ox Tail jerk chicken, Stute King fish.

Yosie. Yeah. She's, yeah. Listen, that sounds just, that sounds, that sounds great. Sounds much better. She knows. Um, so I'm looking at your LinkedIn right now, Ashley. And obviously, you know, you went to F.I.U. Um, and then, uh, you know, got some work that looks like at F.I.U. Talk about how you made that first jump, man. Cause it, cause I think, you know, It sounds like maybe it's along these lines. Yeah. Of what we're talking about. My path is a little bit unconventional from most persons that are going through computer science program. I went through the traditional computer science program. But how I got into the career was a little bit not necessarily the traditional way.

So essentially, heavily theoretical, like I mentioned, as the math classes were level up and I was like, no, no, no. Bullshit in a little bit. Can I curse my hair a little bit? Absolutely, I curse both now. We'll sit in a little bit in some of these classes, essentially, a council point where it's pretty much make a break. Are you actually going to step up to the plate and actually learn a little tier and master it and apply it? Or you're going to flunk out and transfer to some other degree, less or difficult degree? So I decided to step up to the plate, and I've just fully committed.

So I think at that point, I discovered Code Academy. And I just said, you know what? And I could go say, dream spring break. And I say, you know what? I'm abandoning everything in life. It's just been called Academy. So I was in like a week, like sleeping maybe like one hour a day. I went through the almost entire curriculum for HTML, JavaScript, PHP, this some node. And then I started was getting through Ruby. I was going ham. It started to apply that. Yeah. So did you leave FIE and started CODA CAD? Oh, no. This was in during spring break. Okay. So I was, yeah, so we had a computer science lab that was open 24-7.

So essentially I was basically bumming it out in there. Sure. And it had amazing internet speed. I think like FIU was kind of like maybe like the one of those internet hubs for like South Florida. So the internet speed was just golden. So I was just always in there really. And just consuming, starting to really pay attention to what like the seniors were working on for the senior projects, because we're all closer to like the end of the spring semester. Sure. And in any term that I did not know, I would just create this giant excel sheet and it just dive in really. I took it the very, I did it though, dive into the deep end of the pool the hard way and it just really learned and explored.

But not having any class or any form of structure gave me that freedom to kind of like really tackle it. And in the pack of fawns, the freedom to explore and actually try to attempt to do something out of the. So talk about hackathons also too. Want to give a shout out. I see our code academy is where I got my start. I started with code academy to see that. Rosanna goes just a shout out to Ashley and all his outstanding contributions to STEM and the outreach he has done to inspire us. Damn, damn. Damn. All right. Love that. Love that. Love to see that on Monday.

So Ashley, so talk like what are hackathons? I barely knew what a hackathon was to be honest with you. Yeah. What is a hackathon? Why should people be involved at Hackathons in which, and we'll do the full circle back to social collaboration? Yeah, to answer your question short, and I'll follow up quickly in there. Hackathons are considered like a NFL combine. You have a very limited period of time to perform the best for the task that you're trying to achieve in regards to the category. So if you're running back, whatever those drills, whatever skills you got that you've trained up so far And if you did it, even it's a little bit more forgiving there.

Perform your best and whatever results happen. And one of the benefit is obviously a recruitment outlet. That's the golden cap. But really, there's other trophies and rewards that you'd get for participating. So it might be first, second, third place, but there's also categories and beginner-friendly prizes that sponsors stand to put on. So that's the analogy. So essentially as engineers, programmers, or new beginner or not, 24, 48, or 72 hours, depending on what the timeframe is for that event, or if there's a theme or category, you come in and you build what you can, with whatever resources you can find, and you essentially you present at the end, and you get ranked.

That's what the hackathon really is. Now, why should you do it? I think some of the biggest acceleration in growth and learning happens at Agathon. Because a lot of times I'm like, ooh, I've heard about this topic. Like for example, machine learning way back in the day. I'm like, you know what? I'm going to this hackathon. I'm gonna go through like, for example, deep learning AI on Coursera. And go through that entire, or like go through as much as it is possible and try to see what I can build out of that. And from there on this topic, is what that tool is really, has a good purpose for it?

But also if it's something that I can incorporate into like a product. So that was a great breeding ground for me to take different topics and experiment and see how it's relevant in real life. And a lot of being an immigrant and my heart was tied to Haiti, a lot of what I'll do is think of like problems that happen in Haitian society and how I can use certain, obviously, there's a web interface or mobile interface. So whatever technology you use for those mediums, but also additional APIs to solve people's problems in those contexts, on four-year contexts in those places. So that's pretty much my drill.

I love that. Real quick, for those of you in the chat that are still watching, comment if you've done a hackathon. So Christina comes in here, we used to do hackathons with Girls in Tech, Las Vegas Giveaway Money, they are fun. I'm curious, has anybody else done a hackathon? What are your thoughts on hackathons? Actually, I really haven't actually talked about hackathons a lot in my networking, and I need to add this in here. Where can people find them? Cause I don't even really, I don't see them. Yeah, I think there has been, cause back in the day there used to be like some of those OG, like battle hags by PayPal, which was like massive budgets, some conferences, host like mini hacker fawns.

But really I'll say MLH, MLH.io, major league hacking, they take, their positioning is kind of like collegiate like kind of like D1 or whatever, not even D1, but like, you know, collegiate style hackathons. And it also helped high schools run hackathons. And then you also have a third one that's not academically tied, which is called like local host, which I think there's one coming up in December, which I think is like a period where it's just like a normal civic hack day or like that local communities and local beatups or clubs or, you know, would organize and have just like, hey, shoot the giggles and just build.

There's also a lot of unpractical ones. So I think like Emily, she's a great directory to even like find out just how many, there's a sheer amount and diversity of different types of hack phones that exist. I don't know about other directories, but it's a great start, yeah. I love that. And actually too, you know, I've been kind of fascinated with the Run Club community, like just runners. So I found a few videographers, creators online that I really love who have done a lot of work with the running community. And there's actually a brand that I love called Minted New York with Marcus Malone, I think is his name or Malone or something like that.

And he has built an entire fashion brand off the back of a run club. And so I was kind of thinking, like how do we, how do I or guy or any other company? Like the reason why I feel like when you work out with somebody, you kind of share this same experience, right? You share a suffering experience. It kind of brings you closer together, right? So what is that for software development? And I think it's hackathons. Like you actually just kind of solve that in my head. And when I say suffering, I just meant you come together to solve a problem together. And obviously you got to work through it together.

And I feel like that's hackathons. And I've actually never just got I never thought about that until now. So Ashley. And actually, a direct, like, I'll say another one, the counterpart would be like the pitch competitions. Most of the times, people are coming together, maybe from a non-technical perspective, analyzing a problem space, doing the necessary research, ideating on a potential solution, and setting up, and really bringing it together and presenting. And obviously, the best pitch wins, either in not just execution, but also the depth and insights that comes from that in the solution. And the solution, the only difference is that we're doing the same thing at a hackathon and building that prototype on the spot.

Um, so I think that's really, um, regardless of where we're baggering coming from, I think those, those should be some two helpful, you know, analogies for that. Absolutely. Uh, signing a company that did the target challenge. I'm assuming Sony is that like target like the company. Um, I've done give camps to give camp.org. I'm looking to that, um, john, I haven't done any yet, but I'm looking and our soon dev post has a hackathon section as well. Love that. Yeah. Philly, it's good to see you. Thanks for tuning in. Mary, I've done a couple hackathons. I was invited to do what developer friends of my network.

So it's fun having a buddy. Yeah, absolutely. And it brings together people fast. That's awesome. All right. Well, I'm glad we touched on this because I didn't even think about that. Talk about, so Ashley, you are a speaker for Render ATL in 2024. You were a speaker this past year, right? Yeah. OK. So talk to me, man. I mean, obviously, we're on the topic of relationships. And I know I talk about conferences a lot. I'm sure people are so damn tired about hearing me talk about conferences, but talk about the empower of relationship building. All right, so I'll get to kind of the conferences and I'll go through that, get to that point.

I mean, that's gonna be my angle. So I'm gonna start from the hackathons. So I think the college I think I went to over about 65, I think it was 68 is around like my record of walkathons. It was like back-to-back weekends. So I never slept. was terrible, terrible, but I can't do that anymore. But I think the most successful teams that I've seen perform at HackFonds were the most diverse ones, where there was an art student, a design student, a person that was very business-minded or project-minded, a solid engineer, a solid UI engineer, a lot of the composition that we see in the workplace was simulated in a lot of successful teams there.

So understanding that you don't need to be a straight up all engineer teams and understanding how to work with different forms of people and having the network and relationships to build a team in preparation for in the hackathon and start ideating was extremely like a very early lesson that you learn after maybe I'll say your third hackathon. If you learn even from day one, even better. So, yeah, so relationships is very clear and like, when you start going to hackathons, you start meeting the same people over and over and over again. So there's a, like what happens is that there's massive network effect because hackathons are so huge and you're there with like 300, 400, sometimes 1500 other people hacking out the entire time.

So you go from table to table, talk to other people, hey, what ideas you're doing, what of things you're working on and even help them with their solutions. So it wasn't like a cut-throat collaborative. It was just like all of fun vibe, we're all in this together. So that network effect was extremely valuable and having that community. I think it's something I mentioned is key, which probably was a blessing from my career development is actually having a community. A lot of people go through their development in silos and it just makes things 10 times more difficult because like, You know, what's your- What do you mean by that?

What do you mean by that? Yeah, yeah. Um, what's, so what happens is that, for example, a person in the stage has down, do what they need to do with classes, do their project out of school, and now you're going through the application grind. Well, great. You might have done maybe a couple of interviews, a couple of internships out of a couple of companies, but you're trying to get to fame. Um, that's just obviously the typical story, right? Who do you know I fame? That you can even talk to your Insta. What are your pointers that I for? Why should know for the interview cuz most of the time what there's resources online, but you also have Hacker rank, which is a lot of this very like no go to that coding ground which I'm like, mm now But like once I started working at well, you know my first Like corporate big big corporate engineering job, which was all UKG which is like six years there What do I realize is that a lot of companies?

higher based off relationships and referrals is like one a huge thing. Imagine that. They're not paying actually to say that. It's wild. It's extremely massive. So having been in community space, I was also invited to also come with the recruiting team on campus, you know, as an engineer on site, you know, vetting out potential candidates, both on career fairs as well as on college campuses. And oftentimes, the relationships actually do make a huge difference. It drastically, you know, lessons the bear the entry, you know, because it opens that door. And then once that door is open, it's just like, all right, like you just gotta walk and walk at that point.

And internally, when you're moving within your jobs, your relationships actually matter. because like who you engage with, when I was moving from department to department internally because I wasn't quite feeling the stuff that I was doing anymore in a particular department. But another department was like very much involved in like open source stuff using more newer technology. And I was like really interested. The relationships that I had with the directors from going to hackathons, I mean, sorry, going to the career fairs with them. It was a simple conversation and you say, hey, yeah, I have an opening. Let's watch you in like tomorrow. And I was like, what?

Whereas before, I would have gone to so much new loopers who were getting my manager approval, which is still a process that you go through, but it expedites that process. So there's so many examples I can pull through, but like relationships are really just a cheat code on top of maneuvering things. And it doesn't need to be anything fake or whatnot. I'm just announcing, generally, I grew up in a Caribbean, so one of the cultures that, the things that comes culturally, is when I walk in a room, I say hi to everybody. And that was one of the things, the first thing I did when I went to my first actual, my first conference, which is React Conf 2019.

Was when I left the hackathon community because I was at Epon's old and I mentored a lot and say, hey, the tech conference space is like the natural evolution of this community, post college. So I'm like, great. The friend had an extra ticket and I went to React Conf. My first time at the tech conference seeing how pasty, you know, and why everyone was. And I mean my friends would say, hey, any black person that we meet, we're gonna make them feel extra, extra special welcome. Cause we're gonna bring that color and make our space for ourselves. But at the same time, meeting everyone, just talking, it's funny enough, cause I actually met Dan Abramov there by Dan and Noah.

Cause he did know it. That's great. I like, I want your name. And it wasn't even like that. I was like, I saw him in line and I'll say, hey, I ran up to him and say, hey, does anyone just told you that you look like Dan Abermoff? You might take a picture, took a picture and then bolted out. Because people look so different from their avatars, which is another thing that's hilarious once you start going to community events more often and seeing how much do people match their profile picture? Yeah. That's another, that's another conversation for another day. But yeah, I think like not being afraid to just going out there and saying hello and introducing yourself.

So going back to that, that cultural thing to say, I have to say hello to everyone in the room. Right. Well, there's just a handshake. Hi, my name is Ashley. Nice to meet you. That's it. But that's all it is. And people just freak out and they're like, I can't network. And it's like, listen, all you got to do is say, Hey, that's really it. Yeah. And if the conversation is dragged on, don't even force you. All right, well, I'm just going to go. Pleasure to meet you. If you see around, please say hello. Don't be a stranger. So essentially we did that for that.

Everybody. We hate shark hands, but as many people that we met and spoke to the speakers. So here's a little precursor. One of the speakers was Tages and it was hilarious because me and my friends were like, like, you know, we're like, like a handful of us black people, um, in the community. And that's also where I met Paris Athena from, um, Black Tech Twitter. Yeah. And that's why I discovered Black Tech Twitter being a thing. And I'm like, Oh my God, there's a bunch of us in this space. What she's doing is incredible, man. I just slid into her DM was like, listen, can I just talk to you?

Yeah, I just want to learn about what you're doing. It's, it's, all it is. It's just a simple conversation because like if I never did that, I never would have even discovered Black Tech Twitter and a lot of people that like, Oh, I hold snap like now I'm going to conference on me wait a second I talked to y'all we have I have Twitter friends now yeah just like a first lesson like professionally um in that sense so hi conversation with a lot of speakers um Sophie Albert brilliant person she got brilliant um talks uh Tages wonderful slides everyone knows Tages um but but I was kind of a conversation around saying hey okay it also helped with imposter syndrome because in certain times a lot of organizations have their own echo chambers and I was with the work in grocery organization I was in at the time was a very then dot net environment.

Dot net core right now is definitely on point but like if you didn't know about the old dot net legacy dot net it trust me it felt like I was like oh my god I'm fighting against the brain every single day around like you know engineering topics and that as the new guy I'm like, is I know I got to stay in my lane. So the conferences and conversations around the real type of problems that other engineers have in other organizations and the coaching and the pro tips on how the navigators challenges is another sort of gem. Just that just happens from these conversations. But like from the stuff I was talking about, Tages was on a person and say, hey, you should make a talk on that.

Yeah. So I took his advice. I gave my first talk online and from that talk, the director Apollo was in the audience, which led to another conversation. And that came to an email thread. That's so awesome. Boom, interview right there. We're like, no, all because of the conference talk. All because of the conference talk. That's so sick. Which echoed the same reason how I got to like UKG, which was the pre-mined previous employer, was also because I was in a lab all the time And every single time those companies would come do, like campus presentations to recruit interns, I was always there and I was like, oh no, I'm trying to go to Google, I don't need to go to your company.

And I'm like, I hear what I'm trying to do. And dad say, oh yeah, come by our office and come visit us. That visit was essentially an impromptu interview. And I stepped up to the plate and I got the job like very quickly after. So those conversations, my path to career development has been through just conversations. Amazing. And funny enough, around the time that I did that presentation, I was starting to prepare myself for the mental ground up doing the lead coat and apply it to fame, which is also hilarious because when I told some of my friends, hey, I'm looking to apply friends from Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, they're like, yo, let me know, I will put in the recommendation for you.

I had like a bunch of friends that I've made over the years from hackathon. So it was like, great, I'm gonna skip that early power and go straight put on into the right position. You know, I can talk to director to some of the hiring managers or whatnot. So, you know, relationships are cheat codes really to just career navigation. So that's why I've- I love that. I'm all about it. I love that you actually answered like two or three questions I had in my brain. Real quick, just real quick for you wrap up here. I wanna ask about the red glasses. So I think this is- Oh yeah, really important.

Why did you pick that? And because, I mean, it's like, I look for you in a crowd with the red glasses now. Did you do that on purpose? A little bit, I wanted to have something that provides a lot of contrast because in the way that, so I'm also on apology, genetically myself. Yes, you are. I tried to not even coast which I'll be like a yo cat. It is what it is we have like weekly meetings and I think Michael Watson who is a fellow colleague here can actually confirm Okay, I would go in early and you know, but you know how we have like the early chit chat like oh I'll say yeah, I'll say yeah I hate that I will take over the audio and I will stream some lo-fi and I'm like hey What's up?

How you doing everybody? Hello me DJ session. Yeah Yeah. In terms of titles, one of my personal achievement, corporate is I finagled the title of Chief Vibe Officer, which has been ordained by the Chief Chief Officer out of Apollo. No, I mean. Y'all, yeah, I'll do it for sure. It is like, oh, yeah, official going forward, actually is the Chief Vibe Officer. I'm still trying to find a way to make it into a paid position, but I'll take the title as it is. I love it. But, you know, finding ways to bring color and energy and positivity into a space makes it different. Cause like, even if it's just like simple, like, you know, you're helping someone out, you don't even push out there to go do it.

If you're just, you know, someone's asking you, hey, any help is your system. If you do that with positivity, that right there makes a huge difference. Cause it's like, turns into shot outs, that shots turns into visibility. Those visibility becomes into receipts that help you move forward in your career. But yeah, yeah, Chief I was like, is a vibe. But yeah, try to be, you know, yourself. And I, so that's how I stand out in my own way. And yeah, I think it works. It's a passive form of career development. Yeah, or you're actively working on your stuff that you need work on. And again, I mean, so this is something to kind of keep in mind.

I know conferences are kind of winding down now because of the holidays. Next year, for those of you who are going to render or that conference in January in Austin with me, I would recommend having something that stands out. Right? So Ashley has his red glasses. I usually wear floral. If I'm not in floral, I have my glasses a little different. I bleached my hair. I have an earring. I know some people, when I went to Thrive Tech Conference in Fort Lauderdale, I had a boot on because my feet were bothering me. I had more people come up to me when I wore a boot than anything else.

So like just a thought, if you struggle with talking to people, wear something or have something that can draw attention to be like, yo, I love your glasses, or yo, what's wrong with your foot? Or you know what I'm saying? That really, really helps for sure. It gives, it makes it a no brainer for others to open up to you. Like, oh, just a little something. You just quit calling out. Yeah. Right. All right, Ashley, we'll wrap up here. I got four questions for you. First off, if you weren't coding and money, this is the first time I've asked somebody this, I'm gonna start working this end of my show.

Yeah. So you think any pig. If money were not a problem, let's say you were to get paid one to one what you're making now, what would you do outside of code? Well, that's actually what I'm doing right now. One thing that I've gotten to do is, you know, I'll try to make it short, short. A lot of Twitter drama is like very first world, but also even for first world problems, like, yo, why y'all complaining about this? True. I have a very unique perspective. I'm like, yo, there's some real shit happening in the world. But also it's not exclusive to me, because like, you know, the Middle East and whatnot, y'all can understand what's going on there.

But, wow, I was getting somewhere, and I completely brain farted. I ask you what, what would you do outside of work? And then you talk about, Oh, yes. So it will be a lot. So right now I'm on the board of patients in tech. And it's a lot of like, maybe nonprofit in a sense, but also like, it's more than nonprofit. Cause I think a lot of times people just, it's not, I come from Haiti and Haiti was like a very nonprofit economy. So I have problems with that word. But really like being a difference in helping develop the my country and society and from my culture.

I love that. In whatever different ways. And that's what I currently do now. Previously was an effort called Dev Haiti, essentially helping grow and develop and nurture technical talent to the degree that we see. We have it in the standard, we have in the United States. And now is almost like a semi-entrepreneur, but like almost like B Corp style brand that is about celebrating an elevating Haitian identity. Everywhere I go, I have my flag, I have my thing. So it's a lot of natural extension of that. I love that so much, man. Next question, outside of work, what do you do for fun? What do I do for fun?

That's a very good question. That's a very good question. Currently right now I'm in a cycle where it's just work, cod, and then research and work on my brand to actually do research on that. But if that weren't the thing, it would probably be music. Yeah, in high school I DJ'd heavily, got into music production, so music and cooking. I love to cook. I love that man, that's awesome, that's awesome. Next question that kind of goes what you said. You're doing a really good job of answering my questions today. What are you researching, reading about technology-wise, maybe something at Apollo GraphQL that you're excited about you want to share?

Oh, okay, so Apollo is around, in GraphQL is around security. That's one of the theme of my talks I've been around GraphQL security and specifically around authorization because that right there's a whole little rabbit hole. But it's the first takes of my talks I've been on resetting and recalibrating our mental models and how we think about permissioning systems in our, from a GraphQL perspective. And then, so now that I'm working on the next step, we're just like, hey, what does the implementation look like that actually does solve the problem? So that's a really fun mental research that goes off of that. Outside of that, one of my favorite books is by like Farnham Street.

They have a collection called the Great Mental Models. I love learning in general, because obviously as engineers, like a natural trait, we obviously keep learning. But I love learning about domains that isn't natural to engineering. So economics, sociology, psychology, especially because it arms me with greater mental models to further drive impact in the things that I want to do for nature society and so on and so forth. So thinking about Haiti from an economic model, how do we actually make positive economic change through whatever as a medium is one aspect? There's the, right now my current thing is the psychological impacts to Haitian society that we experience in the different side effects from three generations of mass migration.

So, and through the brand, how can I actually like positively start, you know, introduce or contribute to a healing process, but also a transformation process with that. So it's, you know, fun stuff and that's actually different from geeking out, but actually, you know, still using that problem solving to society thing. I love that. All right, last question before we wrap it up today. And again, Ashley, thank you for coming on. Everybody else, thank you for coming on as well. Check out render ATL again, render ATL dot com. Ashley will be there. I'll be there. It'll be a good old fun little time. Last question if you could give.

So the show is called Guidance Councilor 2.0 for a reason. We had Guidance Councilor in the middle school, high school and college, but now as adults, you don't really have anybody to turn to to ask for career advice per se, right? Which is what I want this show to be. What would be your biggest piece of career advice to young Ashley? Tell me, Demi, this is great. Like what would you wish you could have told your younger self, professional? Yeah. To be even hungry or on the relationships. So I think there's a lot of things that I do that naturally puts me in a position of, you know, oh, I develop relationships.

But I think if I was even hungry and realizing how much of a key in cheat code it is, and learning how to leverage that. Because I think there's, how I think, who was it that I mentioned? It wasn't Nivea. It was at the same conference that I met Nivea on. It was, I forgot the name of the speaker, but she brought up a mental model that now started to apply. It's the importance of having your allies, mentors, and sponsors. As those frameworks, so like, if I, using that mental model, if I was always ensuring that all areas were covered And I actively saw the role for that.

I think there's a lot of interesting things that I would have, some pain that I could have avoided for learning on the thought. So yeah. I get that. That's awesome. Well, Ashley, thank you again for coming on, man. Real quick, where can people find you? Where are you most active on social? People want to follow up with you. Yeah. I will start by saying that one, don't feel like you need to be active on social media. The first thing I do is protect my piece at all costs. Not to say that, y'all know I'm on P's, but I see like there's a lot of social media that you'll see with seasons when I'm active on social media.

So Twitter, dark fader, underscore dark fader, D-A-R-K-F-A-D-R, and on Instagram as well as dark fader, D-A-R-K-F-A-D-R, which is also my GitHub. But yeah, I go very silent and I tune my feed for memes, means for my mental health. I have no problem engaging there. I love when people engage with me, but I think that's like a little PSA is to reach me on socials, but I apologize if I don't respond, especially on my Twitter, because I always make sure that you protect my piece, because there's a lot going on out there. I love that, that's awesome. Well y'all, thank you again for hanging out with us today.

I actually stay on real quick, so I can stay by you off air. So y'all have a great Monday tomorrow. We have a full week of guidance comes from 2.0 this week. Tomorrow my guy Michael Hale, he and I met at Beer City Code up in Grand Rapids. He just started a new job. We're gonna talk about finding your inner peace and then also finding who you are before you take a job because that's very, very important. So we're gonna talk about that tomorrow. I will be live with one of our technical talent advocates at Gonaio on Wednesday to talk more about the platform and some updates on what we're doing.

Thursday, Unicorn Finder is gonna be talking about. If you have a pet, you need to show up. It's a startup doing really cool stuff with pet insurance. We're gonna dive into that. So y'all have a wonderful, wonderful rest of your Monday. And we'll see you all tomorrow. Appreciate it. Thank you for having me. Bye. Hey, you did it. You listened to an entire episode and I am very grateful. Cause you know why? There's a lot of podcasts out there. There's a lot of episodes and I myself rarely finished an entire episode. So I appreciate you so, so much for listening. Quick reminder, please rate and review this podcast in the App Store.

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