don't lose yourself, invest in yourself w/ omri buzi

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alrighty good morning everybody when I say good morning I mean nobody because no one's here yet goodes a second takes a second good morning takes a second to to get out to get out let's see here checking checking last thing we want to do is just if anybody's watching this see all right I just got a notification on YouTube so that's good and [Music] then still nothing on LinkedIn yet want to pause uh for those of you who are watching good morning um on different platforms other than LinkedIn um if you are on LinkedIn and you are watching this please comment so I know it

works um because I don't want to get started still waiting I'm admiring this UI yeah there you go admire away good morning Tik Tok good morning stream on Tik Tok uh see man oh all right sweet we are good I just saw on LinkedIn all right what up everybody good morning happy Tuesday uh excited for this excited for this episode The reason I'm excited for this episode one I met om uh at at South by um at a little dinner we threw so pretty pump to pretty pump see you again see see him again you again um and then second off like I love the

topic we're gonna talk about today because I you know I I think there's just been a huge fundamental shift going from the I really the thought of what full-time salary is to what now is Consulting freelancing especially working with a talent Marketplace on the freelancing Consulting side I think it's it's really interesting we have a great conversation around that but in the meantime please say hey would love to hear from you again the reason why I tell people to say hey is for you to network what I've realized is this is a networking platform I've been doing it for four years now and if you

have been signing in to my show consistently for four years and I've networked with every single guest I've had on and every single person in the comments you would have a pretty substantial Network and so that's what I want for you I want to create an ecosystem for you to network off the back of me so shoot Omar a DM after this say it was great to see you connect everybody in the DMS um um but the only way to to to know that you are watching is if you comment we are not in our Apple Vision Pro goggles yet we're not in the metaverse

yet so I don't know if you're chilling unless you comment so please do that second off ask questions I'm excited to pick om's brain today on on a quite a bit of different topics but please ask him um I love when we have Q&A and I think the topic today it will be a great Q&A as well um want to give a shout out to two of my partners this morning first and foremost that conference um so this is happening in Wisconsin in two or three months I really need to get the date down Clark if you're watching please correct me I think it's in

June late June early July but late June uh you need to go to this if you can't go I have three free tickets still left so um I I'm not paying for your travel but I do have three free tickets um they're valued at around 500 bucks so shoot me a DM I will gift them to you but you you have to DM me um again I'm not paying for your flight so do that also shout out to render ATL for being the premier Platinum Pro sponsor as always um I will be there June 12 through four or 14 through 16 I really got to

get my dates right and basically think South by Southwest but in it's in Atlanta and it's less founder focused more like tech nerd heavy so it's gonna be amazing uh highly recommend checking it out um render atl.com buy your tickets um and uh hope to see you there uh read against good to see you Janet Chris Eric it's great to see you all from upstate New York tune in I love it uh cool all right omry nothing me run my mouth man let's give the people what they want who are you what do you do we'll go from there yeah so I am a product

manager by trade um so you know I graduated from grad school what is now 10 years I'm actually head to my 10 year anniversary this weekend which is pretty crazy getting ol d uh so am I'm already old but I'm getting older uh so I've been a product manager for about 10 years um and about six months ago left oh when a lot of people were leaving jobs uh left or was lefted of my last role as a product manager um and sort of almost jumped into another type of head of product type role with another startup having done that what would have been like

my fourth time in a row um and just took a second to be like is this really what I want um kind of did a little bit of internal reflection internal self self-seeking and found that may not be what I want um and so now I'm on a bit of a different path uh it's certainly not fully formed it's certainly sort of changing almost every single day in some way or another but at the end of the day the really the sort of the overarching banner is building products for companies that need them I love it the modality changes with the winds yeah yeah my

my brothers and produ you and I talked about that and that seems that seems consistent for sure I you know there's so many ways to kind of start this topic but I want to I want to start with you and and and really what prompted you to go out on your own right because because I think I've talked with a lot of folks in Tech I feel like it's very much of hey let's get to the two-year Mark I'm getting kind of bored there's not enough growth there's all these various things within an organization that makes you jump what made you jump yeah yeah know

I mean I think that you know this is so I read a book huge recommendation uh pathless path really really great book that kind of you know I read after the fact after I started on on my what I'm call my pathless path sure um and sort of started to pick up on some language around it and I think that what I came to realize is that you know everyone everyone's different um and what I was pursuing prior to this New Path was very much doing what everyone expected people like me to do um and what got me on this path was trying t o

think a little more deeply as the things that I want from myself and what's going to make me feel fulfilled what's going to make me feel happy um and there was a bit of you know a bit of a different modality of operating was necessary to sort of meet the things that I need to meet and actually allowed me to be at my best and deliver the most for companies and businesses and create the most value to the marketplace call it um so just the realization that I was a little bit different than than the way I was operating and it's totally fine being different

is really important I have a son that's four years old I tell him that all the time um so just kind of internal internal reflection is what got me here what so all right I think I think the scariest thing for people to go out on their own is to get started right do you have any tips to get started do you have any advice um because I think I honestly truly think what I've seen is they don't know how to get started they don't know how to get benefits and I feel like if those two things are solved I feel like more people would

leave the nin to5 world so benefits I don't have solved yet I'm still on COBRA for my last thing so we'll see that lasts for about a year so we'll see get back to I'll get back to you on that one getting started yeah I mean I think that you know I think that you posted actually recently about I think your I think you said something effect of like your 100 or X LinkedIn messes yeah 100 post so I think the spirit to that is is getting started it's just having conversations yeah just having conversations and it feels for people that are getting into this

that are not you know if you have a more sales orientation you're used to having conversations and doing discovery of some sort for people that don't have that in their DNA or don't think they have that in their DNA they they probably do they just you know we're selling ourselves One Way Or Another We're selling ourselves every day it may not look l ike being an SDR at some you know Tech startup selling SAS software but we're all selling ourselves constantly so getting started is just having conversations because at the end of the day you have some capability of some sort that you can drive

some value to someone and you're not going to find that place to go deliver that value unless you have the conversations no one's coming to you they're not going to come approach you you can't just sit and wait for someone to message you on LinkedIn and give you a job you just have to have conversations and just see where they go and not expecting anything not asking for anything just having conversations and you'll slowly not it's not quick doesn't happen overnight you'll slowly start to take something will take shape and you'll start to understand so this is how I can deliver value to the market

and this is what I can bring and these are the people I can bring it to um and if it looks more like fractional work great and if it looks more like um building something on your own from a bootstrap perspective great you you'll find you'll I promise you'll eventually find something and then you just follow that and follow it and follow it until they reaches somewhere and going back to full-time work is never going away so that'll always be well I think I sorry I interrupt you I that last part is huge say that one more time yeah I mean I think that you

know just because you go off on on your own first of all I think it would make some for some really good conversation in your next if you do go back to WT work it'll make for some great conversation in your next interview but that'll never go away companies will always exist to be hiring people full-time um and so going giving a shot if you feel as if that's giving that's calling you there's not you you're not closing any doors it's not a tattoo it's more of just like a quick figure and see what happens and if it fits it fits and it doesn't it

doesn't um I think I I I listened to int erview with um Paul Millard who wrote The pathless Path um and the question that was asked of him is you know is like why isn't everyone doing this why isn't everyone going on their own and it just doesn't fit for everyone yeah I'm still not perfectly certain it fits for me I'm about six months in and it feels more and more it's taking shape and it feels like it fits me but I'm not certain I can't guarantee anything even like three months out right let alone years from now and so you'll always most likely land

on your I can't guarantee anything but you'll probably always land on your feet and where you came from will always be waiting for you again um and there's really no better time than now and just start having those conversations just put yourself out there it's super uncomfortable for some for some it's not but for some it's uncomfortable and it feels different but the more you do it the better it feels do you have do do you hold yourself to a certain number of coffees or lunches a week or a month to just from a a metric standpoint like a sale no for sure I'm a

product manager so I measure what you can't what's not measured sort of thing I do I have a lot of whiteboards around me right now none of them are in frame but there's numbers and everything around it um but honestly it feels like the ones that sort of just came up without a lot of planning are the ones that actually have led to the most learning or the most in those given directions yeah yeah um yeah definitely like you need the Cycles you need to like make sure you have you're having the conversations and all that but there's also a lot to be said for

things happen for a reason um and it's when you least expected that something might interesting might come up yeah abely con connecting with someone you haven't talked to in a while um actually been doing a lot of work with like a a kid who I we grew up together he's like my first friend when I was four years old oh I don't even remember my first friend yeah exactly he's like one of my first friends and I was four years old and now we're doing a lot of work together and you know that's what this path kind of brought me to is Rec connecting with

him years and years and years later so Janet uh first off Reed thanks for linking that path um Janet definitely doesn't fit for everyone and there's also phases in life where it makes more sense so I I think this is great I think again I mean I'm not I'm not out here saying everyone should take fractional you know Consulting work but I do think I've talked with a lot of people and they want to do it they just don't know how to get started and that's kind of the biggest thing but also too yeah I mean there are phases right like there are phases I

I I phas I call them Seasons I think there's seasons of life where you double down and and and you know you have to grind and I think there's other seasons of your life where you can you know stop working at for and I think just being aware of that and I think it's I think it's a huge unlock I don't know if you any more thoughts on that right yeah no I mean first of all one might argue this is probably not the best season of my life to be doing this I have a four-year-old and a two-year-old and life at home is absolutely

insane uh they're both they're featuring this picture behind me um but there a perfect time right I me you'll always find a reason why this isn't the perfect time and I totally agree that there's sort of like um sort of like an expand and exploit Cycles to life is where you're really trying to expand your abilities and push yourself and then then you can kind of rest back on your laurels and sort of take you know exploit what you've what you've gathered um I'm just sort of the person that's always like I I get really really bored if I'm not really pushing myself and for

me specifically I just really really enjoy this just pushing trying to figure out learning every single day I learned something I didn't that mornin g I didn't know that morning and to me that's really important but again it's not for everyone both in in absolute and then as well as like in this current season of their life yeah absolutely all right let so let's talk about you and I chatted backstage a little bit but kind of the overall Mantra um Don't Lose Yourself invest in yourself we kind of talked about full-time jobs and and whatnot so let's start kind of with what you've seen and

you and I were aligned with what you've seen preco and then now and kind of the shift from being out of place forever and and that's not really the case yeah I mean I don't I don't know a lot of people just point to co because Co was like such a big thing that it just changed so many different constructs of our lives so it's really easy to be like oh this happened during the pandemic I'm not sure if it happened during the pandemic I there a lot it's been a like the memes have been great last four years yeah exactly so like maybe like

pointing to the pandemic but yeah what we were talking earlier you know I had friends whose parents and Grand grandparents primarily started work at Boeing 50 years later retired out of Boeing with like G Rolex um and that you see that I don't I don't know if you see that much if at all these days um and so what I took that to mean during my sort of period of self-reflection is that you know you really have to always be investing in yourself even when you're working for W2 and you're fully captive and your time is that of your employers um you always need to

be investing in yourself because the more you in yourself the more worth the more the more value you drive for that company and at the end of the day when you leave that company you've invested in yourself and so you're better better for that I think the the modality that that I kind of felt prey to and that is I think not uncommon among some people um is really just trying to do everything you can for that company and kind of forgetting and losi ng yourself in that and everything you do is for the company I remember telling my wife uh after leaving my last

job that I started reading a book and I I read a lot of like not self-help books you know like business books written by VC's and other product managers um and I told her something the effect that I think that all of a sudden reading just feels different um and as I as I often do I kind of like double down in my mind as like why is that and I started to realize that when I was reading books when I was working full-time for a company everything I saw was how does this sentence of this book apply to my job and how can I

make it how how can I drive value from my company through the sentence in this book whereas now it's really like how can this better myself or a it could be working for a company full-time or B it could be doing my own thing and that could look like fractional again it could look like whatever you want it to look like bootstrapping your own company there's millions of ways of doing it um and so it's that it was sort of like that that mindset shift that really helped to unlock for me a lot of this current way of working and the way and the things

that I do today um and yeah I think that the there's a million ways to make make money uh is from another book uh totally blanking on the name I can link to it later um but there's so many so many so many ways going and going and getting a W2 job and working full-time for a company is not the only way to make money there's so many ways yeah and the more the more you force yourself the more conversations you have um the more you'll start to uncover ways of doing that and who knows what'll come of it you just gota yeah absolutely yeah

I just think like I think people have really seen with all the layoffs that cuz like like as a traditional recruiter that I was for 12 years the the original thing is salary full-time is safer than contract and now I was deep in it and even even before Co I was like no it 's not it really isn't like I but I but other people didn't see it quite to the scale as people are seeing it now because of all the public layoffs that are happening um go ahead yeah yeah no no for sure I mean yeah I mean I live in Texas there's an

outw employee state so you can kind of be let go at any given time for almost anything yeah same as Tennessee and so you know I I used to always tell myself this I never made good on it because it's really hard to make good on it is that the second you start your current job is the day you should be starting to look for your next job um and you should really only look at this job as sort of like the stepping stone for the next thing you do and what it does for you but it's really really easy to lose yourself in that

especially at a startup early stage startups is mostly where I spent those 10 years as a product manager um and it's so easy to lose yourself because you know if you're working for yourself and trying to you hustle for yourself you're constantly focusing on like what can I do to better myself for driving value from this Market whereas when you're at a startup all you're thinking about is at startup um and it's really really easy to lose yourself in that and if nothing else if you if I do go back and that is something that is in my is on this path for me going

back to W2 job I will never let myself do that again I'll always come at it with eyes more wide open as to the fact that I am a person that is working at a company and the company is not me I'm still myself working at the company and sort of like disassociating those two in your mind I think is really important um and then constantly reminding yourself that yeah absolutely um Reed comes in here what do you do for a W2 company what what what you do for a W2 company is for their business what you do with the income is your business don't

spend so much time growing their business that you don't grow your own business it's very good totally totally almost so unds like you have experience with this um that's really good Reed Reed Reed's gonna be on the show in a few weeks so excited to catch up with him um Reed also left a fulltime and and is doing his own thing now too so um so from a from just an overall kind of like job search networking side of things man what are some other things that have really worked for you because again what I like what I like to do on this show podcast

is be very tactical here so are there other things that have worked well for you that that you feel like sharing so conferences things like it just so happens that South Southwest is on my front like on my front lawn so I can go there really easily but going to conferences and just having conversations um I went to business school um any sort of network that you can draw on any Affinity based Network um I went to business school this is a really strong business school network um if you I was an eagle scout when I was a kid Eagle Scouts re I mean like

it's all a matter of you know if you try to reach out to someone you know never never with a never with the Assumption that's they're going to get you something you're just trying to learn and just trying to have a conversation better yourself and understand it's really a matter of you know if you put yourself out there will you get the response that you need and the more Affinity you know sort of surface areas of affinity you can find for yourself the more success you'll have the more conversations you have the more that will come from those um and so just finding the things

that you have in common with other people that will need them to have conversations the and that you can learn from them so for me business school is a really big one Eagle Scouts is absolutely massive one there's not a single Eagle Scout that will not respond to a person that says they're an eagle scout um and so just finding Affinity groups meetups in local areas around something that you're really passionate about there's a lot of AI meetups having those sorts of meetups and conversations you start to have conversations with people that you're going to learn from or something will present itself um I'm even

talking to a cousin of mine who I haven't talked year is about something around a space uh that I would have never thought about but if you start to look for these things they just sort of present themselves so definitely meetups um conferences um and I don't know just anywhere anywhere where people are I think that one of my goals you know you asked earlier do I have like metrics and goals one of my goals is to find like sort of a speaking like an opportunity to speak I think that if you can find opportunity to speak and kind of like establish yourself as some

Authority on something yeah um there's a lot to be had there and then I think you're right publishing content LinkedIn is becoming I think that with the pandemic I'll point back to the pandemic again I think that with the pandemic uh people have started to realize that there's a there's a long period of time where we weren't beeting in person and then all of a sudden we are beating in person but in those periods that we weren't meeting in person people were turning to LinkedIn and platforms like really just LinkedIn more and more and so I think putting content out there putting yourself out there

again may not feel comfortable if you're not the right person but it's just the way you start to have conversations really make and just draw just connect the dots in some some interesting way yeah absolutely I uh you know I think um I think if you I think going to one Meetup a month I think is a good Cadence um I I I I think if you can afford it I mean obviously kids you know obviously is difficult but KS is very difficult Jess yeah I I think I think if you can swing it I think trying to do something once a month because also

networking is like a it's a muscle right like I know oh it's a muscle for sure when I was in Texas in Janua ry not for South P but I spoke at a at a small engineering conference in in in January in Austin it had been five or six months as I've been on the road yeah bro it kicked my butt like I was like holy cow so yeah trying to stay kind of the AC of the networking side is is incredibly and there's like you know there's the whole like Myers Briggs introvert extrovert I'm a I'm a a slightly extroverted introvert and so I

don't I think I'm the same yeah and like the definition of introvert and extrovert at the end of the day is like do you do you do you gather strength from being in crowds or not being crowds I do not gather strength from being crowds and it feels almost physically exhausting for me yeah but the more you do it the less the less imposing it is um and I'm actually going to post about it here soon on LinkedIn a friend of mine here in Austin and I are work are we're starting kind of like a natural networking is what we call it sort of trying

to lower the threshold of what it takes to actually Network because just we just she and I are both in the same boat coming to this realization that like at the end of the day you have to invest in yourself and the best way to invest in yourself is connecting with others that are like-minded um and a lot of networking events are not exactly geared towards getting you know the hardest part about you know if you get to a networking event or you get to some sort of meet up the hardest part is just starting I think once you get into it you're into it

and like you're you find your group yeah you're good your Vib yeah exactly there's initial like that initial hurdle you have to overcome um so we're GNA create like maybe a modality of networking um that we that we hope that we think that our hypothesis is that it will'll help um overcome that and lead to to better connections and better uh better value for everyone for everyone who's there I've interviewed a lot of networking apps on my startup show um and I feel like there's the re's a there's a huge boom in it right now and so far I I I haven't I have qualms

with every single networking app that I've interviewed um whether it's you know because it's such a tricky thing to do oh for sure but I do think if somebody can crack the code they'll also I think there and this is a whole another conversation for another day I do believe there is the market right now for a new social media app that is and I've been actually talking about in my close circles that is a mix between LinkedIn and Twitter um from a professional side because the the everybody hates X even though I love it everybody hates X everybody hates LinkedIn because of the spam

Twitter's got spamm I feel like there's this like app out there that is a closed pay pay to play because that's the only way to really weed out pay to play and you would be networking on a higher level but it's still you could put out content stuff like that I I think there I think there is something out there still so just yeah I feel I can talk about that one for a while yeah the networking R poach is in person um but I mean I totally can see that I don't I don't I mean nothing's like no products perfect I mean that's just

not how products work but I could definitely find ways to improve on link in my mind as a product vers find ways to improve L too um also another thing I I I want to highlight before we wrap up here again I knew 30 minutes was gonna fly by with you um is uh don't underestimate non professional networking groups so like I play Ice Hockey like I've met so many people that have helped me in my career because of ice hockey both that are hiring managers Engineers designers a lot of designers love hockey don't really get that but a lot of designers yeah um but

then also too like I've met people who help me with my content and I mean I my I swear my beer league ice hockey team's like the healthiest bunch of dudes ever we got one he's getting his Masters and diet stuff and another guy's like acupun cture so like I don't know like like really like I I've wanted to start F1 in Tech here in Nashville so we all get together and drink mimosas it's usually breakfast for F1 um so yeah I I just think like don't underestimate non professional for sure I think just Affinity I mean low Roi on this one but like I

met a lot of really cool parents through my kids school yeah um so I don't recommend having kids like if you're gonna have kids you kid je form I tweeted at the beach I said the ultimate form of networking is having a kid because then you have to like the kid plays with other people's kids you have to talk to the adults yeah and if like you know it just happens in my kids school it's a pretty cool school with some pretty cool parents and so it's it's affinity and having kids is an affinity yeah Affinity certainly doesn't have to be professional I don't think

Eagle Scout would count as right yeah any sort of reason why somebody would respond to you and be open to connecting with you because it's just like it's it's the same thing as the inperson networking event it's just that initial hurdle of like having a conversation once you get over that you'll find surface areas of conversations or or things that overlap or you learn in some way and that's really the magic of networking and you know I was I was thinking about this morning actually like the things that I want my my children to know and I I heard a lot growing up like it

doesn't matter what you know it's who you know um I don't know if I'm GNA jump fully into that but just connecting yourself and putting yourself out there is so important um and for a child like mine who's a very heady my son is super heady but like on the social emotional maybe a little less so um I'm really it's going to be a really big part of me as a parent is really to push him in the direction of really putting himself out there and feel feeling comfortable um and I think that one thing that I will say that this is an important nugget

t hat I gathered in this is that people at least like me that aren't sales oriented to start with their biggest fear is that they're going to come across to salesy um the good thing is that that is sort of a limiting factor to you is that if you have that in your heart if that's a concern that you have you almost have an inability to be to salesy so just push yourself because you're never going to push yourself over the edge of being salesy um and so don't worry about embarrassment or putting yourself out there it's really it's different and it's hard and it's

not comfortable for everyone but if you are worried about being too salesy you will never be too salesy it's just not possible for you it's not something that you can muster and so put yourself out there and just don't think about it to the extent you can do that absolutely all right man uh I do a little rapid fire here um at the end um so uh four questions um again thank you'all for tuning in thank you for the comments thank you for the engagement um I really really appreciate it um again go connect with omry omry before we ask these questions where could people

connect with you um definitely LinkedIn is where I'm trying to invest most of my time now you know to your point on like the platforms I tried X for a while it's just it's just so hard if you want to invest in one find me on LinkedIn um and then I have a website just om rb.com um you can always connect find time in my calendar let's connect let's talk I love talking to people um and there's a little there's om rb.com there's actually a place to put time in my calendar and let's talk um I put a post out there on LinkedIn a little

while ago about notion I'm obsessed with notion um so if you have any notion questions find time on my notion calendar and let's talk and see what comes with it I love it I love it all right yeah uh first question um what do you like to do and and and you can say family but I but also not I'm not I'm not gonna say family okay co ol um so what do you like to do outside of work for fun oh man my family really puts a damper on this I know I know I yeah yeah I tell every dad mom on the show

like we get you love your family we got it I do love my family uh I used to golf a lot actually this past weekend I played golf for the first time in a long time um and then I remembered how much I love golfing and so today I'm going to say golfing there you go I love it I love it I know I I like golfing too just it's the time it's the time it is a Time suck it is a Time SU suck yes um uh what so all right so next question if money money was not an issue either the same or

more what but you couldn't do something in Tech what would you do oh my um my mom was born on essentially like an agricultural Community um and so something in a I have a brother-in-law who his family has a very large sale Farm in Iowa I have a cousin who's an organic farmer Barcelona I think agriculture's always called me in one way shape or form yeah um so something there my dad's always wanted to make a have a goat farm um so maybe a small small scale a a buildout with a goat farm all right so so this is going to deril the conversation a

little bit why do you think our our age group is so obsessed with either moving out on a farm or opening up a coffee shop and getting away from everything this is obviously a lot bigger question yeah no I think it's just because I think it's to the point is that we're all very into like the fact that we're having this conversation we're all so into like especially in Tech it's such a it's such an echo chamber we're thinking about this and our careers and that I think the antithesis of that all is just like going and being on a farm and subsisting um so

I think it's just it's the exact opposite of yeah Tech and career and everything is just like just eat what you raise and live life and get away from it all I would I mean I live in Texas I would love to have a ranch and disconnect yeah absolutely I would n't have to go too far yeah um uh third question here is um uh any any um I know obviously you mentioned a few books anything you've watched read that has been you know very meaningful we could also talk about like Tech stuff too if you're messing around with something but it could just be

anything content related um so definitely pathless path um company of one uh last name Jarvis of that author I think those are the two books that were the I kind of alluded to that one and blank my mind but it's back those two books kind of help me to orient myself in the direction that I'm oriented now um I am nearing the age of 40 um and I recently found this whole idea of like the second Mountain um the second mountain is this idea and sort of what I what I spoke to earlier of like you know there was a previous phase in my life

where I was doing what people expect me to do and now kind of doing the things that I want to do and something at some point somebody started calling it the second Mountain so I'm reading a book now about that and there's a lot of literature around that so trying to really explore what that means for me I love that all right last question man we'll wrap it up again thanks for everybody tuning in um uh the show is called guidance counselor 2.0 because we had guidance counselors at middle school high school and college but now as adults we don't really have a guidance counselor

to turn to what would be your biggest piece of career advice um to young omry or or or or even to your kids yeah um I I think I'm just going to go back to sort of like the the basis of all of our conversation so far is just investing in yourself just never forgetting at the end of the day you are your own business you are your own self it is what you put into yourself that is what allows you to um gather returns from the market the market may look like anything it might look like full-time employee employers ship it could look like

anything but at the end of the day you have to inve st in yourself because it's it's just it's it's all you got right you got it's the only one you got it's all you have um and so never forget and again even if you're at a company it's still you at that company so invest in yourself and the more you invest in yourself the more you'll be able to drive for that company there you go I love it I love it all right y'all well thank you again for hanging out with us today go connect with omry omry stay on so I can say

bye to you backstage but y'all have a good one tomorrow morning 9:30 a.m.

Central I have Aaron Francis on the show Aaron got recently laid off at Planet scale he started his own thing he's an incredible Storyteller content creator um so it's going to be an amazing conversation so see yall tomorrow morning 9:30 a.m. Central omry thank you my friend and yall have a good