taylor desseyn

guidance counselor 2.0 · episode 60

the market

jul 28, 2021 · 12 min · hosted by taylor desseyn

key takeaways

  • hiring managers must understand what motivates each employee beyond salary to retain them
  • candidates are receiving multiple job offers weekly and switching jobs frequently without reputation damage
  • don't lowball candidates on salary offers or they will keep searching and leave
  • hire for potential and culture fit rather than requiring every single skill listed
  • candidates should take unpaid work and real experience over paying for more degrees

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how the tech job market is shifting, what hiring managers and candidates need to know right now

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All right, so talking today about the market. I want to educate you and kind of let you know what I'm seeing again You're like Taylor you've talked about this a lot. Yes, but right now we are going through this like weird Renaissance right now For me We're going through this like she like this has never been seen before. I have talked to so many people at Vaco So many people at Vaco on what's going on right now people at Vaco that have been the industry about as long as I've been alive and And no one has ever seen this before period no one's ever seen it This this is a absolute high in frenzy.

Oh, yes Colin Lord that gum it man Man, there you go gene. What's up buddy. Yeah, so first off. I want to tell you this higher and manage it again So directed to higher managers first if if you're your people are getting DM's your people are getting emails to leave your company Probably three or four times a week And so just heads up on that You need to make make sure you're taking care of your employees. I know I've talked about this in the past I just again today's it's kind of me bouncing around lots of thoughts if you have the questions about the job market about the job search Please ask me TikTok.

Please ask me if you are watching Facebook, LinkedIn, YouTube, Twitter if you have a question about the job search or the market Please ask me at me comment me But I'm just gonna kind of give you some random thoughts on this Friday afternoon So employers you need to take care of your people right now, right? They're probably saying Taylor. How do I take care of my people? Well, it's not all money It's not all money right you have to sit down with your people to understand what they're motivated by right? And so for me, you know some of its money some of its leadership potential some of its title some of its working on the tech Right it just depends so you need to know like you need to get to know your people more than you ever have Ever you have to know them You have to know them intimately and what their intrinsic motivations are I have a question for TikTok Taylor is the market So how the companies are sending written offers with same day Exploration that's a great question.

Thank you so much. I have not seen an expiration but I have seen employers press recruiters in press canus to offer I will also tell you this too I have candidates that are interviewing still that have interviewed that when they even got an offer and it have taken offers even after they started my projects I'm not mad. I'm not mad. It is what it is. I'm not mad again Hey, listen, we have a lot of questions coming in. Please keep keep the questions coming. I'm not mad that canus are still interviewing But canus just be careful because what's going on right so brand and reputation for candidates don't matter anymore To a certain extent right so let's say for example like there are candidates I know national their developers.

I know in Nashville that have developed a poor name for themselves You could ask me you could ask some of my fellow recruiter friends in Nashville as well We know candidates that have bad reputations because they bounce around they burnt burnt down code bases It's just kind of been a mess right so I understand um that reputation was a thing now Reputation is not a thing because you can interview across the country and leave companies and burn bridges and you probably will never see that person again Now I will caution you I would not live your life that way. That's a whole another conversation a whole another live show Just being a respectful good person, but that is what's happening recruiters are aware of it listen higher managers You got to be aware of it right?

That's why if a candidate asks you for a certain amount of money That's not completely out of line and you think they are somewhere worth it higher managers give that candidate that offer Right literally, it's not one of my candidates. We had a candidate interview. They said here is the number they offer $20,000 under Why are you doing that? Why are you doing that? We submitted what that person wanted why in the world would you lowball them? So I'll tell you this companies if you lowball candidate that's on you That is a negative that is a negative on you and you're and a candidate will probably still be looking so higher managers be aware of that from a candidate side So let's answer a few more questions that have come in Question from Disney RTL You think that companies are lowering salaries since we are having a reset The salaries aren't lowering They're not lowering they're going up I will say maybe companies are trying to reset it by offering lower maybe but I will tell you this I'll tell you this companies Companies you have no power right now none done Because kids can go elsewhere Like I will tell you this now there can't be like well the junior dev market You know is still very yes.

This is the big blessing. I get it right the junior devs market It's hard. It's probably more it's probably more hard. I'm not great with English. It's probably more difficult than it ever was right now But I will tell you this it is It is not it is it is sorry I just got notification on on tick tock to go like have a dual live I've never had that before so forever who did that I'm a little I don't know how to do that. So let's try that another time So yeah Higher majors have all the power or Can it sorry can't have all the power?

I want to talk about this to another question came in Taylor when I followed your tip to put my specific skill My job title LinkedIn. I get DM'd all the time. Hey, look at that. It works. It works when you put in the title We talk about this and talk about this a lot your title though the words under your name or the words under your profile pic Is the most important part of your LinkedIn? So Lincoln user. I'm proud of you. Edson was going on. Hey from Brazil We're international this morning. Britney was going on a few other few thoughts. I have one Candidates you need to constantly be Updating and keeping it touch with the recruiters right now.

We need to know what's going on right? Hey recruiter I have three interviews today. I have four interviews tomorrow like we need to know what's going on We need you to be proactive. We need you to touch base right like right now more than ever like everybody should be talking to each other more Than they ever have because of the frenzy that is happening Also, let's see here. Devonta. They want experience for unpaid intern work It's competitive out there for junior devs. Yeah. I mean listen. Devonta, you know, I've had a conversation about this recently taken on free work Go check it out with Josh Carroll this week.

I'm a fan of taking on unpaid intern work because If you are if you are a candidate right now and you're like Taylor do I go back to boot camp? Do I go back to college? Do I go back and study coursework? No, I would volunteer the time that you are going to do that with not spend the money and Go pick up go pick up actual real-world experience. I think that's incredibly important LinkedIn users still companies want are wanting every tech skill in the world not believe it is impossible to come in with everything It wastes a lot of time. Listen. This is nothing.

I don't understand companies I don't understand when you're gonna start hiring for like upside instead of what can't have right now I don't know when I don't know when companies are gonna figure that out. There are now I get it right we If you engage in a recruiter You are obviously paying them to find quote-unquote the perfect person which one does not exist But also to if you're gonna pay us for a fee you got to get it close so I get that But I still know companies that are interviewing that still reject people who are very close And they reject them because they don't have all the skills So companies right now like I would say if a can't it's got 50% of the skills and they're nice to be around and they play well with others I would absolutely hire them I mean, I think companies are just being too ridiculous right now Unless you're hiring manager and you're like listen to your wrong.

We're having a fine time hiring great props to you come on my life show I listen if you are watching this if you are watching this right now in your hiring manager and you're having success hiring right now Please DM me I will have you on the show Because I want to know what you're doing Because there's a lot of people who don't know what they're doing Yes, the Dante Invons your work you could have saved me 20,000. I spent just getting my master's lesson This is listen we can go here. We can go here on this Friday if you want to go here on this Friday, but I don't A listen all I'm gonna say is is is is I think education is slowly slowly becoming more devalued And I think if you could have spent $20,000 worth of work for free I think you I don't listen.

I don't know where you're at in your career But I think you possibly could be further along in your career Don't don't get mad don't get mad at me. Don't get mad at me. I listen. I just think I think boot camps And listen this is gonna open up hold of the can of worms So maybe I have a live show just dedicated to boot canvas. I actually I'm gonna write that down boot camp versus versus college grad I Think right now if if your money is tight if your money is tight. Okay. Well, hey you're see you're good You're good. What I'm saying is is for the individuals who are struggling to find a job Disney Disney RTL If you if people who are struggling to find a job and are thinking about going back to work I Think you take that time and money that you will spend and front front yourself the money and go take on free work Kale once up good morning.

Listen that listen that's all I got today Just just a few random thoughts in my head no real organization That was a little all over the place So I apologize if you have any questions, please let me know but this concludes I just wanted to touch on a few things right can't a mark it's harder than ever can to have all the power Clients need to hire managers need to be aware that you're not going to find anybody with Probably even 75% of the skills, right? I think right now you need to hire to train up I see some companies in town hiring more junior devs props to y'all.

I think that's incredibly important But yeah again, thank you so much for y'all tuning in say that's all I got if there's any more questions I'll just down here for a few more seconds ask me TikTok. Thank you for the questions Whoever tried to go live with me that sorry. I got a little distracted. That was the first I've ever had that before Shoot me a DM or something and let's talk about going live together again, taildessan.com um um resume template 10 questions stuff a recruiter My job board is going to be updated here soon my available camps. You're going to be updated here soon a lot of stuff's going to be really pushed through my website very very soon Connor goes unless you land a big tech internship or something like that the college probably isn't worth it in my opinion Connor, let's say that I have thoughts.

I have thoughts. I think we're going to do that next week college versus boot camp So that's gonna be a good one. Um, Colin. Thanks buddy Gene. Thank you again Y'all, thank you so much to the guys who got two point out this board again Kind of an organizer. I feel it in my thoughts all over the place But thank you so much if you need me shoot me a DM Uh, shoot me a tax join my texting community y'all have a wonderful weekend and I'll see you next week. Peace

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