are you content w/ mark techson, sr. devrel engineer @ google

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So a few things first off mark talk to me. I was going on the land of angular I've seen some things on the internet some tweets some some things and so let's talk about Ang what's going on in the world of Angular right now, Mark? The new logo official new angular swag because Be honest with you. We had a huge huge release this week and And man, so here's what happened. We dropped the new logo, brand new website. Love the logo much more modern. Oh yeah. Love it. We completely redesigned website. You got to now you have a built in playground. So if you want to try to learn Angular, learn right in the browser.

Oh, for real? Yeah. You can learn right in the browser. I let the effort to redesign the entire tutorial. So we learned our lesson. I mean, so here's the thing, I'll just say this. Angular, we've learned a lot. And people think that, since you work at a bit company, like Google, we don't hear feedback, we just ignore. We actually care about our users, we care about the developers, and we're definitely doing what we can to continue to just improve it. So Angular is, yeah, we're on one right now. We're on one right now, I can't even lie to you. Angular's in their bag, as I said.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We definitely are. And I'm grateful for this team. I've never worked on such an amazing team. I feel like I've had some really excellent jobs. This is probably my favorite team. Mark, I'm gonna let me let me ask you, right? So we started out the show, I love hanging out with you man, just I love it. I know I told people before the show started to give themselves props. I want you to give yourself some props. What have you done lately on the Angular team that you're very proud of? Oh, well, fine. I'm super team centric, so I really don't know.

I know, that's why I said it. That's why I said it. Listen, if I'm making other people do it, I gotta get you to do it. All right, fine. So our big release event yesterday, I was the lead on that. So I did help design it. Actually, I came with the design for it. Did you really? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the set design, we have an amazing production team, but I told them what I wanted, and I told them how I wanted the event to flow, how I want the feature segments, like all that was my design. And it was supported by an amazing team.

So I can't just take the credit for it like that. But I did lead that effort. I, yeah, like I said, the learning journey. Yeah, I designed a learning journey for us, for Angular. That's so awesome. That's awesome. That's great. And it has some great people supporting that effort, though. So it wasn't only me, but I led and designed it. And yeah, I've been working really hard on the Angular team, like giving my best effort. One thing I'm really proud of more than even that too, the talks. I've been on tour for a little while. And just giving good conference talks about Angular getting people excited about it, having people say to me this one phrase, I didn't even want to use Angular or I hadn't even been thinking about Angular, but after hearing your talk, I want to check it out.

That to me is like such a huge compliment because I know that there are other great tools out there, but just getting some of that mind share is really like special for me and for the team and being able to do it is just awesome. So I feel great about it. Yeah, so I've been working hard, but our team's working hard. I'm gonna give my US props a shout out to Emma Torreski on the team because she led the effort for the redesign of the site and the redesign of logo like she led that and that girl man she was cooking. Taylor she was cooking on this project because look at the reaction.

Everything was great. Everything was great. Yeah, she was cooking for sure. We got a question from Sarah W. What footwear is Mark Sporten today? So today I love wearing Jordan one shadows because I got to give a conference talk today. So I would definitely wear a Jordan one shadow yesterday for the live event. I wore the Jordan six DMP. Okay. It was a defining moment. So I had to wear the defining moments Jordan six. I love that. I love that. And Chris comes in how freaking cool heard about the excitement that yeah absolutely absolutely all over the Internet. I love it. All right, Mark, let's get into the meat potato.

So Mark and I chatted last time about not being alone in your career. So that's how we started it, but we finished it. I believe we were starting to wrap up about being content, right? And I think I've talked with a lot of people lately and I'm going through it myself about what do you want out of your career, right? What's important to you? What are things that you really value? And everybody's value is gonna be different, like what they value, right? But I'm interviewing Mark. So Mark, let's just start by a broad question real quick. How have you struggled with being content? And if so, we'll start there.

How have you struggled with being content in your career? 100% I've struggled with being content. And that comes from, when we jump into where it comes from, like, yeah, absolutely man. Let's just dive in, dive in. There's someplace to tackle this. So I'd be super transparent where it came from. So I mentioned before that I grew up with, with not enough resources, like we grew up poor. And the hard part about that is when you grow up poor and you are like, had the hustle mentality, you set your mind on like, I gotta get out of my situation. And then you keep wanting to go more and more because almost like you're trying to make up for lost time.

Right. But as I started going to therapy, I told my therapist and say, you know, this is hard to turn off because the average person would look at my life and say, he has it all. What is he worried about? And for me, it was like, I have to get more. And so even in my career has been the one of the biggest places where that I have to get more kind of shows up, right? I got to get promotion, got to work for a bigger company, got to make more money, got to do this. I got to do that. I got to look for the next thing, the next level.

Yeah. What's important to you right now? Like, like if we're, if we're talking about comparison game, what are some things that you're trying to maybe journal about that you're thankful for, that you're focused on? Because again, right, I think, I think the problem, especially, I mean, I'm sure you've dealt with it about being online, there's always somebody out there that's gonna have more followers, more engagement, more money, more notoriety, doing cooler things. And I've realized that, right? Yeah. So what do you hold like, what, what, what does Mark hold near and dear, um, that you try to focus on and kind of get through that noise?

Yeah. Okay. Um, I'm just taking a second cause this stuff gets me a little like choked up because I'm a person who, um, you know, I've had some like challenges that I can't really talk about right now. Sure. Sure. It just lets me know that like life is very finite. Right. And so what changed for me and what's been like really important for me is like, what will I say was the most meaningful part at the end? Right? And I keep thinking about that. Like, now I'm so big on memories with my family, like making memories. Like that is like the thing I've been holding near and dear.

Like when my kid wants to play, sometimes I'm super tired and I don't blame any parents for being tired. But I feel an extra amount of guilt because I keep thinking like, will he remember that I played with him? Or will he remember that I worked all the time? And so just thinking about like memories, and I know I can't control his experience, but I can't influence it. And then for myself, like, I'm like, man, I want to make sure I have all these good memories. So that way at the end, it's just a little bit in my mind, it'll be a little bit easier because I won't be any regrets.

Yeah. Yeah. Because I've shed my time doing the things that mattered with the the people that matter. Absolutely. I love that so much. Can you, what's some of your advice to folks? I think Greg, I see your question, we'll get you in a second. What's your advice to folks, man, who are struggling right now with maybe looking over the shoulder about wanting more money or wanting a bigger title? What would be your advice to them right now? Make sure that you want it for you. That's the first thing. And try not to make sure that you want it because you see somebody else has it.

Like it's okay to look at what's available, right? And to go after it, but don't let it become like the only thing that drives you. Because here's what you can't control, right? You can't control things like layoffs, right? You can't control things like economic conditions changing, like the stock market changing. Like there are all these things that like are completely out of your control. So if success at any means, by any means necessary, it's like you're like driving factor, it may leave you feeling like unfulfilled, right? And so I tell people like, you know, it's okay to want more, like I'm a person who just wants more because like I said, I can't turn it off.

But what I'm trying to do is control it, right? Control the feelings, like they won't go away. It's kind of a range of it. How did you control man? I'm struggling with that too, right? I mean, I've talked with multiple recruiters in the agency world, because I'm out of the agency world now. I'm talking about multiple agency recruiters about how work at an industry for so long can cause a lot of side effects, like a lot of ADD, a lot of anxiety. One thing I'm working on in counseling right now have my counseling session Friday. I'm so excited, been a few weeks off just cause of travel is, I've told my counselor, I said the best way I know how to say it is I feel like my foot is cemented to a gas pedal that is pressed all the way down.

And I don't know how to pull it off. and content too, man. Like you know this, like there's such a, I mean to be totally vulnerable, like the likes, and I mean like right now my Instagram's got like, is viral right now, I got seven million impressions on Instagram and you know, and it's always just like, okay, but okay, that's great, seven million. Maybe I can get to 10 million. It's like, bro, you were averaging like a thousand impressions a few weeks ago, now you're at seven million, and that's not enough. So again, like how are you trying to take the pedal off the gas, gas off the pedal, I don't know.

You know what I'm trying to say. Right? The way I'm trying to do that is by doing other stuff and prioritizing other things. Like not work stuff you mean. Not work stuff, not making videos all the time. Like not saying that I won't, but okay, here's a good thing that, so I can just tell you what I'm thinking about. I have a goal that I want to reach on social media because see, I want influence so that I can make change. Right? Now it feels altruistic now, but I don't have the influence that I imagine. So it might change me or it might reveal some other ulterior motives that I didn't even realize, right?

But my idea is that like, if I have more money, I can help more people. That's the way I look at it. So I'm like, okay, I wanna get to this thing and I wanna get there now. But I'm like, but there are other things that are happening. Like I don't live in a vacuum. I'm not 25 and single living in LA by myself with no responsibilities, right? Like I'm the complete opposite. I'm putting you married with children living in the Midwest, trying to balance all those important relationships. So for me, I have to remember two things. One, my relationships matter, two, rest matters. Talk about it.

Talk about rest. Because I'm... It's the thing that I need the most, and I do the least. I need it the most, and I do it the least. Because I think about the time that I'm sleeping, I could be working because that toxic hustle culture It's still a little bit in my brain, not gonna lie to you, still influence of like, I remember this one video I saw that it's still stuck in my brain, this guy said, when my enemy is sleeping, I am working. And when we meet, I will defeat him. That is a cool idea, like a viral quote. That's a viral quote, but also.

Look, you gotta rest. I can't even be my best self. So here's how I'm like rationalizing it. Like I asked my wife something wild. I was like, look, what if we went to bed as a family at 930 every night for a month? Now for me to do that, that means some things will not get done, right? But I was like, what if we just got rest? Could we show up for each other more with rest? Could we be better parents with rest? Could we even have a better marriage with rest? Preach it. And so I'm just saying, I'm being honest, and so that's what I'm approach to about Because we both do a thing where we, you know, we try to do that revenge procrastination.

You know what I mean? Where it's like, instead of going to bed at night, you stay up to try to get the time back. You felt you lost. But right now I'm just realizing that I'm at a place fortunately in my life where I don't have to grind as hard. My hobbies can actually be hobbies and not a way out of like poverty. You know, for me, so Greg, Greg comes in. I want to take a quick break and answer. Somebody's question that came in. Greg, it took me 10 years to learn to rest. Greg, I'm kind of curious again, Greg's former guest to show Love Greg to Death, highly recommend following him.

Greg, talk to me about how you've learned to rest, right? I'm sure it's probably a continuous thing, but Greg, I'm curious. Rest makes your brain work better, 100%. Rest is so key. What up, Paul? It's actually a skill just like working, yeah, 100%. So I wanna get to this question, kind of a side, and then we'll go back to the rest. Sure, sure. What Greg comes in, what got you into Dev? where did you start? Great, great excellent question. Here's what my challenge has been my whole career. As you can tell, I'm a chatty individual. And I like being in front of people and I like being on stage and I like performing to be honest with you.

I like all that stuff. And you're really good at it. Even though I don't watch your talks, you're really good. That's the inside joke, friends, because we were hanging out at one of the conferences a couple weeks ago in Atlanta. But yeah, so here's the hard part was like me writing code in a corner Felt so unfulfilling for me because I was a senior software engineer for probably 15 years Right and I just felt so unfulfilled and then I started teaching part-time at universities and That was like wow a combination of my communication skills and my technical ability and then that's Yeah, that's good. Well got me to dev roll.

I didn't even know this career existed I got onto Twitter that I saw these people who were in DevRel, I'm like, what the heck is DevRel? Yeah, I'm like, what the heck? Who is this? And then, you know, like a traditional arrogant engineer, I was like, man, that's not a real like technical role. It can't be. It can't be. Yeah. And then I started looking into it and I was like, oh, so here's the hard part about DevRel. You don't, so when people talk to engineers, in general, they expect you to be like really focused on one area and be able to talk about that one area.

And then when you get to DevRel, you got to talk about all areas. So my technical ability has had to increase because everybody will ask me a question from about every perspective about Angular. So I've had to become so technical to understand, even more technical, right? I thought it was so. You really think DevRel is required, you become even more technical? For me, yes, because I was really good at the areas that I was good at. Sure. Then being in DevRel for Angular, I've had to like go higher and harder. You know what I mean? Yeah. What my technical ability? That makes sense. That makes sense.

What would be your biggest piece of advice for folks who know about DevRel or who want to get into it? How do they position themselves to get in the market for that? Oh, a couple of things. First thing is this, don't think that it's all being on stage in making videos. Agreed. That is only one fraction. Talk about that for a second. So what people see of me, they see me on stage like 10% of the time, maybe 5% of the time. They see me in the video 5% of the time. The other 90% is spent communicating with developers, communicating with engineers, spending lots and lots of time debugging and trying to understand problems.

Remember I was talking about just being technical? For example, if you use a report on issue, I look into it. Like I'm debugging and I'm reading. I'm in it. You're in it. I'm in it. So I'm not just like, oh, you know, to force this off. I will probably write about it internally, propose a strategy or a solution, and see how we can move forward. The first thing is this. The public facing part is only one part of it. Second thing is this. Think about how you can serve. I think service-based Devro is one of the best ways to be successful. Like, have a mind of service.

I'm here to serve our developer community. The event that we put on yesterday was born out of service. How can we serve it? And we could I've just stood up there and done it a whole different way about how great we are, but we focused on here's what you needed Here's what you asked for and here's how we're answering right and then I think the third thing is You know if you want to be like, you know, if you want to get to dev rel just make content and connect with developers like those things make content meaning like write blogs right or Contribute on github.

That's another way to get to dev rel help with docs help with issues like submit issues I mean, they're all they see that people look for that can be helpful. Yeah, there's a lot of dev rel folks I don't have a bunch of Twitter followers that are fantastic Like you don't have to you don't have to be kind of a Twitter Lord to be in dev rel, right? I didn't even have a good Twitter following when I got it Only started getting late. I just crossed 10k followers last month. Yeah Thank you, and I but I've been on Twitter since 2017. Yeah, and I got into Google in 2020.

So it's like I think it wasn't even that, that it wasn't the Twitter popularity, like that's a myth. I think there are some people who work in Devro that you've never even seen on Twitter. Yeah. Because Twitter is not the only platform for Devro. Correct. Not at all actually. Question comes in here as a college student. How do you feel students such early career people can find the balance of doing other things while not feeling like we're speeding towards early burnout? I've talked to so many folks about this. Yeah. So if you want to find a balance of doing, Okay, so here's a whole part about being in college, right?

Is that that is your whole world, right? College is your whole world and that is okay. For the time being, while you're there in four to six years that you're in college, it's okay that it dominates your whole world, but make sure you find time away from it. But the time that you find away from it does not have to be set. So like, well, I gotta spend 30 hours a week working out. No, if you spend 20 minutes a day working out, or something else that's beneficial to you, then that's enough. Use the time that you have and don't stress by the time that you don't have 100% 100% Let's see here kind of going back.

There's another question to Lawrence. What's going on Lawrence is on the show Lauren's hanging out Lawrence is hanging out with me Friday Friday Lawrence come on a show on Friday So I got to get locked in for that. You know why because I I don't say this like loosely right I don't hide people up that I don't really know because it's not fair Lawrence is the person that I really like and he's really genuine and a very thoughtful person. It's hard to meet thoughtful people and he's a very thoughtful and sincere person. Every time he talks I listen. Yeah just so thoughtful and so I mean and just the way he learns he just knows how to like support people in a very special way and I don't know I got to connect with him even more when we got to finally connect a person at Connect.

hot connect actually connecting people in. Yeah, I really like him. I really like Lawrence. And I think that people should get to know Lawrence because he's blowing up right now. Yes. No, he's blowing up right now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Really, really good dude. Back back. Let's see here. Now of course, about Devro comes in. Is it possible to get Devro right out of college? Think about, I think about being a software engineer. Well, I think it's impressive. I have an aim for internship to try that. I really love people. Yes, it's possible. Yes, it's possible. But I think if you're going to be effective, you leverage those technical skills, right?

Like the people skills are part of it, but to be the most effective, you got to have technical and people skills in some way. When I say people skills, don't conflate that with, like I said, meaning being on stage, right? Like just being able to connect with people. Like I've had conversations with people who don't ever want to be on stage, but they're in Devro and they're really good at connecting with their developer community. Yep. 100%. Um, uh, John comes in and burn out. I don't even have a job yet. Yeah. That's, yes. Take care of yourself again. So, so, so as we wrap up here again, I know, uh, time flies when you're having fun with friends.

I want to talk about going back to the rest thing. Um, you know, it's interesting, you know, a quick story like, you know, my wife and I actually got into an argument recently. Um, I was working first thing in the morning and she want to have 10 minutes of breakfast time. I was like, I can't too busy. And she looked at me, you know, later and she was like, she goes, you came and pulled yourself away from the computer for 10 minutes. And I think it's that type of things that I'm trying to be aware of because I think working from home presents its own challenges.

I mean, don't get me wrong, especially with wife and kids, right? It presents its own challenge. And I think sometimes my defensive nature is like, well, I'm at home, I can help out, but it's still work time. But then I felt convicted afterwards, it's like, yeah, but you're also a dad and a husband, and you can bounce it more and spread it out more over time. And so what are your thoughts around that? Been there. Been there. I mean, I think I made the mistake last week. And so I think it takes grace from both sides, from Hunter's partner too, because my wife came in during, I was in the middle of a really heated exchange.

not arguing, but it was just really just passion, just passion, a lot of passion. And she was trying to show me her like Halloween costume. And I was in middle type and I'm like, I can't look right now. And all I had to do was just turn around and look. Yeah, I'm glad I'm not alone. No, all I do is turn around and look, man. You know what I mean? Yeah. And so sometimes like, it's like not all on you, but it's not all on them either. It's like you got to have a balance and be sensitive in that moment of like, okay, you know what?

10 minutes. So, because Taylor, I'll flip it around for you. What 10 minutes have like crashed, whatever you were doing. Hell no, of course not. Right. Of course not. Right. So when you think about it like that, like even in that moment I was talking, if I just the one minute she was looking for my attention, if I had it just like, you know, just turned around and just acknowledged her, what she was trying to do in that moment, it would have been, I still would have been in the heated, you know, conversation or passionate conversation. You know what I mean? So just being give grace to yourself, but then just kind of realize like, yeah, you know, it's okay to just be like, this work can wait.

Not all the time though. It's like flow state is a thing and focus is a thing. Yeah, yeah. It's not that it got to be on both sides, right? Like your partner also has to support that. But if it's first thing in the morning, I do agree with your partner. It's like, bro, you can give me 10 minutes. You know what I mean? Like, I know because she wants to connect with you, right? Yeah. Okay. So they're only I don't read them talking all the way to Marista because I'm like doing this like marriage challenge right now. Oh, it's like a 30 day marriage challenge that I saw on Instagram about their like, you know, email list thing, whatever.

It's actually pretty decent, you know, cause it just gives me like prompts to remind me like, not be a robot, do not be a robot. You know what I mean? Because the relationship is bad. Send that to me. Send that to me. I will. Yeah, please do. Yeah, Thomas, holy shit. It's hard to be work at home, husband. Yeah, it's such a balance. It's hundreds of an balance. Greg goes, Elle also, from that my wife is amazing. Yeah, my wife's, all of our wives are amazing we're putting up with our stupid selves, now I'm just kidding. Let's see here, Mark is 100% correct. Just put a pause on the keyboard, learn this years, I gotta love that.

Tim Sims, dropping that knowledge. Yeah, Mark's always dropping that knowledge. Mark, as we wrap up here, I still wanna ask you kind of those three questions always ask, but anything else you wanna impart on the people before you wrap up here, any life, any career stuff, anything else you're passionate about right now that you wanna share, it's on your heart. Yeah, I'm really passionate about learning to not compare yourself to others. Somebody else might be crushing it and it might make you feel some type of way. So what I'll tell you to do is if you feel like jealousy, which we all have felt it, I have felt it root for that person, cheer that person on as a quick way to turn the jealousy into like more productive feelings.

Uh, then I want to say be kind to yourself. Just be kind to yourself. Like change the self talk. I want to talk to when I work out. I would like, man, there'll be a punk. lift that weight. And I'm like, bro, what would have it if I was like, hey, Mark, you got this, you're strong enough. Ooh, ooh. If I talk, I'm even talking about the life that I did though. Those nuances are huge. They really, really are. And then that's why, that's why I tell people to celebrate themselves. We are so hard on ourselves. Too hard on ourselves. That's what it'd be kind to us.

All of us. You can't go in there. I've never met a person that is like easy on themselves. That makes sense. Like, I've never met a person that's like, yeah, I'm great. I mean, there are out there. don't get me wrong. But like everybody who I've talked to, especially that are very career motivated, very driven are very harder themselves. That's right. That's right. And then the last thing I will say, you know, you know, if you're thinking about your career, check out Angular. We got some here we go. Here we go. I love it. I got Angular, Angular.dev is our new website. Please check it out.

Leave us feedback. It's in beta. Okay. So we're still improving, still growing it. Check it out, Angular.dev and enjoy that. like enjoy this, because we're enjoying the moment. So enjoy it with us. We invite you to enjoy this moment with us. I love that. And I will tell you what, and this is why companies, if you watch this now in the future, this is why having a really good dev, we're all team that understands community and people matters. Because I will tell you this, Angular was not on my radar. I'm not even developer. Angular was not on my radar. I've known about Angular for a long time in the dev community, hasn't had the best reputation, right?

Kind of went away from it, especially after going to the Angular 2 Plus. Getting guys like Mark and the crew, the rest of the men and women on the Angular team that are doing this matters, because my entire perception of the Angular framework has changed since I've known Mark. And I'm not even developer, I'm not even developer, right? I'm some dude that masquerades as a tech person, right? So again, incredibly important for companies, Mark, shout out to you and your team, all the Angular team, this is why it's important you have a dev rel team that understands community and people because it matters. It changes people's minds about products and tools.

And if you don't have it, your marketing coordinator ain't gonna solve that. I'm just gonna say that right now. So shout out to all marketing coordinators, but you know what I'm trying to get at. Alright, real quick. Also, side side note, if you comment on my LinkedIn, and I don't throw up your comment, I try to throw up everybody's comments. If you don't, if I don't throw it up, I probably have not seen it. I was commenting recently after lives on on LinkedIn. There's a lot of comments I'm not seeing that pop up. So if I don't get your comment, I'm sorry. It's either I didn't see it or I wasn't able to work in, but actually for the most part, I didn't see it.

So I'm just I want to throw out that disclaimer. I was commenting yesterday. I was like, I didn't see half these on the show yesterday. So just want to throw a thought out there. LinkedIn, get your shit together. All right, last last three rapid fire questions, Mark. Like I always do you've already gone through them. We'll We'll do it again. First off right now, outside, outside of family, your big family guy, outside of Angular, what brings you joy? Guitar. Guitar. How long you been playing guitar for? Oh, 20 years. Damn. All right. Didn't know that. Do you have like a favorite guitar or something? Yeah, I love my fender strat.

I have a Mexican strat that I love, love, love. I love that. Heck yeah. I think I saw React maybe something I'll do it like a nerd tech show or talent show. I think that'll be pretty tight. So next question, again, outside of Angular, frameworks tools, technology that you're tinkering with that's on your radar that you're kind of interested in that you want to share. Oh sure, Godot, it's a game development framework, G-O-D-O-T. Okay, Godot, yeah, Godot. Okay, cool, that's interesting. Final question, what would be your biggest piece of career advice to younger Mark? Especially during this season of your life. Oh, I would tell you I'm gonna mark that you're gonna be okay No, just keep going you're gonna be okay Anthony my guy Next time I see you in a piano I'm telling you and I play drums have a dang band Don't play with me because I'm trying to get my friends.

They're rendered to let me do something wild so Don't play all right. Let's talk Yeah, Anthony, sync up. All right, y'all listen, this was great. I hope you enjoyed this as much as I did. Mark, stay on so I can say bye to you off air. Go connect with Mark. Where's the best place to find you, Mark? Obviously Mark Texan on Twitter. Yeah, you know, connect with me on threads on Instagram. I'm trying to grow that platform because I'm going to eventually be putting my like, IG videos content there. Okay. So please connect with me on Instagram, definitely, I'm definitely checking me on Twitter. I'm always there, but yeah, I'm trying to grow through as an Instagram.

Are you are you mark texting on Instagram? I don't think I follow you on Instagram. Yeah. I'm Mark texting everywhere. Oh, you're on phone now. It's just a vice-class impersonating me. But right now, it's me. Yeah, I love it. I love it. All right, y'all. Y'all have a good one tomorrow. I just found out my guest tomorrow had to bail. So it just be me myself and I. We haven't in a solo episode in a while. So I'm going to come at you with some heat around some things I've seen in the in the economy right now in the market. How to address it. So tomorrow's a solo show.

So Thursday, unicorn finers have a startup called Zulu Lou. True story, they are developing a mobile app for networking. You know, I'm a big networker, so I had to bring them on the show. They're a startup, they're looking for their seed investment very, very early on. I really like what they're doing to using some AI, ML stuff to help connect people to other people in the area based off somewhere. Interest. And finally, my guy Lawrence, Friday morning, 9.30 AM Central. Y'all have a good one. I appreciate you also shout out again to render for the sponsor of the show. go check them out and we'll see you all tomorrow.

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