leaving meta and figuring out what's next w/ keiyana arnold deib strategist

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Count us get the people they want who are you what do you do? And we'll start having a good little conversation Hey tiktok LinkedIn Facebook that's pretty much it so I love the comments of folks telling us where they're located I bet no one's on the west coast right now. Yeah, I know I know y'all don't really get up Can you hear me? Is my screen clear? Yes, yes, you are good. You are great. Okay, amazing. I'm Kiana and I have over 10 years of experience in tech doing recruiting, DEI, inclusion strategy, programming, and what I do now I'm based in the Bay Area and I just quit my job at at Mudda Facebook and it's wild thing.

It's only been a month and I was there for five years. I ended up leaving on a quest to take back the rings of my own professional development, my own growth. And I am just like having a blast, doing things on my own time. I recently launched a business. And so I completed a UC Berkeley intensive executive coaching program. And so now I do one-on-one coaching with clients. I also have a corporate leg where I do strategy and consulting. And in the middle of all that, I am a job seeker now. So I've kind of like changed roles at the table and I'm choosing an alternative route.

I love it, I love it. There's so much to unpack. I was telling Keanu backstage, I'm kind of going through a little transition with this morning's show. I definitely want to continue talking about job search stuff, but I want to talk a little bit more start to do a little bit more high level stuff, career stuff, guidance counselor type stuff, right? Which is the name of the show. So we're gonna kind of bounce around here. We're gonna talk kind of high level in the clouds type stuff, but we're gonna still continue to do practical tactical stuff because Keanu is on the job search, right? So the first thing I want to ask Keanu, Why did you leave?

Right? I mean, I'm sure people like, oh my gosh, you had a job. One, you had a job. Two, it was at meta. Yeah. Like what? I mean, it was completely my dream job for so long. I worked at companies like CNN, United Airlines, Twitter. So I've been in different industries. I've been in different industries and all roads for me always gonna lead to Facebook. I am a big user of the product. I love it there. I had such an incredible team. Things were very tough these last couple of years. As you know, there were mass layoffs. And so, you know, I had a very large team and then it was just a few of us.

Right, right. So that hit pretty hard. I had direct reports who were impacted and I think throughout the time. There's just a moment. I survived four layoffs. Wow. Well, that's something there. I survived four layoffs and I just fell as though, you know, I have done so much in my industry and at meta for the five years that it's just time to spread my wings to something different. I don't know about the rest of the folks who are in tech right now with the hiring freezes. But I will tell you, being able to take back my power and feel as though like, I don't have to wait for the next opportunity.

I don't have to wait for someone to maybe lay me off. Sure. Security that I have has been more in my brand. And I honestly didn't have that realization until this year when I started posting on LinkedIn. And so I felt for a long time, you know, it might be time for me to go close a chapter. I've had a great experience. I love the company still, but there's just sometimes when you're ready to move on to bigger things and grow. And when there are opportunities to do that, sometimes you have to create your own. So this year I really started leaning into what I've done throughout my career.

Sometimes I forget some of these names of these big brands that I've used for. And the secrets that I have from behind the scenes of being a group. And so one day I just woke up and I had a role that I was recruiting for. It was a rotational engineering program role. non-traditional, we were looking for candidates that it would be really tough to screen on an interview or screen on an actual resume. I mean that's another part of the process too. Sometimes you are applying for roles and you know depending on how your resume is set up a recruiter can't really understand how to match you.

But anyway when I was reviewing resumes I was coming across the same patterns of folks who weren't really eligible applying or the resume is just looking wild. And so I said, wait a minute, people don't know what this role is. They don't know what it is. And so I said, I learned pretty visually, you know, clearly it's written in the job description, but let me put a blast out. And so I created a video advertising this role and it blew up with over 250,000 views, completely viral, like 400 shares. And this was like my first real like shot at content. That's amazing. I knew I was trying to drive traffic to the role.

I was trying to drive traffic to my DMs and I did that. And I had such a great experience. I think we went from having 500 applicants a week for this role to then 500 a day. And so, you There are a lot of candidates who got into the process. A lot of candidates got hired from that role. Since then, I think that's when it started to click to me, that there might be an educational gap when it comes to the hiring process, the engineering process. I wanted to share that. I became so passionate about it. I would create content on inclusion, how to slide into your recruiters' DMs.

Because honestly, the only way I got to where I am today is through networking and through my personal brand. And it's like once you realize that you are the brand, you are the brand. It's you that these companies want. It's like a way, something clicked inside of me that was like, Kiana, you can do this on your own. it is expanding your own network or pursuing this certification or even just going after my dream job at Netflix at Google, you know, other companies that I'm interviewing with. So yeah, it's been a joy. So man, there's so much on pack. I'm so happy for you. I think let's talk.

Let's talk, I mean obviously you're radiating happiness. I can tell you're smiling, your energy's just infectious. Talk to me about, going out on your own, I'm trying to formulate a question here because I think, and I'm interested in your thoughts too, I feel like the idea of a salary job is now not safe anymore. I think when I started recruiting back in 2011, no one took a contract job, so they're like, it's not safe. Now it's like, no, call me about that contract job, right? Where? I feel like we're heading towards a very fractional type of workforce because of this kind of mindset. Yeah. I'm trying to figure out a question to ask you because so much stuff.

All right, talk about, I want to dig in a little bit. All right, let's cause. about that part. Let's talk about you and leaving. Can you encourage people if they're in a rut right now, what would you tell them? Why should they leave? Or should they leave? That's a great question. And my answer would be it depends. Right? Because while the rainbow sounds It's gold. It didn't happen overnight. And I think once the mass layoffs started happening two years ago, that's when all of us started feeling rattled. And I don't think the job market felt this way since 2020. And so I think for me, it was a buildup of like wanting to to produce some sort of security safety for myself, being able to really start my foundation of networking and branding.

And so it didn't happen overnight for me. It wasn't just like I woke up and decided to quit. I think it was a journey. And I would say if you wanna get on that journey, you have to plan and be very strategic. Just like with an application process or interview process, is not just apply and walk away from your laptop anymore. Yeah, well, it's so funny. You're getting a little hate here. It depends, it depends, spoken like a developer. Talk, I mean, when do you think, I mean, again, let's your recruiter, I know there's a lot of developers that are watching this right now, I think it's all applicable.

What are some things that you were like, okay, now it's time to jump? Like, can you give me like one or two or three? Like, all right, this fell and then this fell and then I secured this and so, you know, then I thought about leaving. I was like, where there are like things that like, you know, indicators or, I don't know, anything like that, because I'm trying to get in the minds of like the people who are watching the show right now. And if they're sitting here and they're in a job don't like and they're like I would love to go out of my own but what are some key things that should like be aware like be mindful of when they are leaving yeah when they're about to leave yeah Emmett goes or did you just wake up one day and quit yeah no again like yeah I guess that's what I'm trying to get at I'm sure you just didn't wake up and decide to quit there were some things that kind of happened can you can you kind of outline some of those things yeah I would say being able to, number one, really think about, and it's like, I think a lot of us are doing what we need to do every day because we're told to do it and it's just like programmed inside of us to wake up and go to work.

And for a long time, I think I was doing that without considering who I was developing into, who this person was becoming, what were my goals? And when you go through an environment where there have been mass layoffs and you are left over, there's a lot of things that you have to do that might not be aligned with what she originally came there for. Sure. And so I think that for me, it was me kind of waking up waking up out of the automated zone of just like, I'm programmed to wake up and go to work, wake up and go to work. It was like a, I don't know if it was like a vacation or a dream or whatever it was.

It was a buildup of me like, what is this feeling here? Like, hmm, there's like something inside of me that is feeling like she wants more. It was just kind of a gut. It was just kind of a gut feel. And I get that. I've been there too. I mean, and I think like, and you've been the recruiting space, like your gut is like 99% right. Like, I mean, I mean, I mean, like, actual, you know, you know, like when you know, you know, and I would tell people that too. I mean, you know, when I was, yes. Yeah, when I was managing recruiting teams and they'd be like, well, I'm not sure about this person because of XYZ, I'm like, well, then that's probably right.

Right. The thing that you can pay attention to is, if you've ever left a job before, sometimes you get that déjà vu feeling of like, hmm, it might be time for me to move on to something else or grow. I think sometimes that feeling can come up. And when it does, I think having conversations is really helpful. So talking to my network. I'm not even a toy. People that I trust with talking about careers in general, people were very helpful in my process. I also feel as though I really do believe once I started posting on LinkedIn. I was about to ask you. Yeah, yeah.

Because that's where my brand was. And I was seeing every single day, people saying they were getting laid off for giving new roles or whatever it was. Like there is a lot happening at one time in the market right now. Sure. I wanna get into some tactical job search stuff now. And cause you're on the job search, like you're trying to find a job, but you're also doing some consulting stuff and all that jazz. What? Talk to me about like what's working, what's not. Obviously it sounds like posting, right? Which I'm a big fan of, posting LinkedIn, obviously, it seems to be working. Can you talk about what seems to be working in your job search or getting new clients and maybe what's not, maybe some things you've had to pivot on?

What's working in my search? Yeah, yeah, like right now, like, how are you getting clients? How are you getting interviews? or do you have a specific system that you're doing every day to find these things? Are you discovering some tactics that aren't quite working that you experimented with? I'm trying to get you to start with. A lot of questions, yeah, yeah. I have so much I want to talk to you about. So I just ask all of you. I would, if I could start anywhere, I would say the type of content that I create is authentic to who I am and my goals. And my goals and my values as a creator, as a human being, revolve around inclusion, making sure that everyone feels included in the conversation.

I also believe in access. And so a lot of my content is about demystifying. And then I also have a goal of getting hired. And so sometimes I sprinkle some of that in there. And I think there's a variety of content that I put out there that naturally attracts the opportunities. Plus, I'm on LinkedIn a lot. And so I've really learned how to optimize the platform as far as like the search goals, finding the hiring team, understanding how to get their attention. And a lot of that comes from like standing out in the process. When you think about a field of grass, you might see like one really big flower, right?

And your eyes laser focus in on that person. I got it came close to the garage. Yeah, don't don't hit yourself. You can focus in on that flower and you want to get closer to it. Sure. I love that. It smells when you take a picture, whatever. I love that. And that's how I describe the application process. There are so many people who apply and like leave, just apply and pray. That's what they call it. And then they get rejections and they're frustrated. I mean, I understand why you're frustrated. You spent all this time on the resume. You need qualifications. You submitted the applications. You followed the rules, but you're still not getting an interview on why.

And I'll tell you why. It's usually that moment where you are doing something different than the rest of the crowd. And so I can share some of those things, but typically that's how I get my clients, my interviews. If I'm submitting an application in ID, I'm a recruiter. The first thing they're going to do is go to my LinkedIn and see that I am an expert in the field. They're going to look at my credentials. They're also going to listen to what I'm saying. to know I know what I'm talking about. And then, you know, we take it from there. There's almost like an ingrained icebreaker.

They can bring up some of the content. One of my recent interviews, this recruiter was really stalking. My leak did, I mean. I love it. I love it. All of the things I've been doing since I've been doing. I'm 10 months ago, you stayed there this time. And I loved it. I loved it because I felt like that person was already familiar with who I was. And I think it gives you a leg up in the process. And so, talk. So, so people, people look at you, people look at me. I mean, I've had this, you know, I've definitely had, um, I like that, uh, yeah, be a flower and a sea of grass.

I love that. Um, uh, you know, I'm sure people look at you and like, Oh my gosh, I can never do what she does. Right. I know people have said that up me, you know, I don't have the E-monos letters. I don't have a yada yada yada. Can you talk about just the importance of literally just using, like, I mean, like not even developing your like a huge brand but just the importance of just staying consistent on LinkedIn and why that's so important right now in this day and age. Absolutely. I get that question all the time. Yeah. Kiana, I don't want to be on video.

I don't want to go. I don't want to be a content creator. You know, I can't see myself doing that and you don't have to. I always tell people remain authentic to your voice. to make sure you're using your voice and not like literally using your voice, it can be, you know, text content that you're writing out. I mean, there are people out there using chat GPT to write out on their posts, but you, I think your content needs to be valuable. And so I see a lot of people posting like, hey, keep an eye out for roles, I just got laid off. And that's just not enough to think in this market.

One thing that you have to do, like I said, is stand out, but offer an audience value. And so if you're laid off, what impact did you make while you were there? What's next for you? What do you wanna do? And sometimes that can all be through text that you write it. You maybe like put a photo on, and having some sort of like visual, maybe a visual of a sea of grass with one flower. You know, that is still an eye catcher. It's something to catch the person's attention quickly and to offer them value. Maybe even in your post saying that you've gotten laid off, you mentioned here the steps that I quickly took after my layoff to make sure that I'm- Can somebody to learn from that?

Yeah, and so I think posting can be very much an opportunity for you to grow your network and for people to engage with you naturally. And you don't have to do it with bells and whistles, be super loud. I mean, we see it on Instagram too, where folks have like faceless content where it's be role like someone like just recording me typing and my thing typing and there's like words over it. And so I would say get creative. And that's what this job market is about right now creativity. Yeah, I just I feel like right now, like, you know, I want to give like Katie a shout out in the comments.

Like, you know, Katie's like really big with like moms and community moms right now, right? During the job search and like, you know, she's posting about communities for moms to get plugged into from a professional side of things. That's huge value add. I think there's such a need for stuff. Jason Torres in the chat, Jason's out here hosting his own Twitter spaces and just bringing people on to talk about the job search. He doesn't have a job and he's doing that. I'm not saying you need to be a content creator, but I do feel like as we continue to move along in this world, that it's more and more important to put yourself out there to separate yourself from the sea of resumes right now because you know as you know it's all about referrals, it's all about putting yourself out there and if you can build enough brand awareness like Katie talking about moms and she helps a VP of something get into a moms group would you think that VP can it's probably going to help Katie find a job next because Katie was a conduit to get her plugged into a mom's group.

Like that's how that stuff works. So I'm I'm a I'm totally in agreement with everything you said. What else? There's still so much to unpack and we're almost already at time. Talk about talk about happiness a little bit. Right. I mean, you know, you talking about going out on your own, you're beaming, there's energy. I think a lot of us feel like we have to be stuck at a desk. You've talked about it briefly, but can you talk about how they're, I think there could be something good on the other side of things. Absolutely. I think the market right now is so unpredictable. That, like you said, even having a salary position full-time is no guarantee.

And so that was the moment when I started to think about what I really wanted. That reflection piece is so important. And I'm talking literally like pros and cons of leaving my job was let's count it out. And also follow that up with what are your personal values and whatever from that list aligns or doesn't align. I mean, it's information for you to better understand yourself. Yeah. And I think once you understand yourself, that is the moment where you open your eyes. So good. Possibility ahead of you. I would say once you unstuck yourself and choose a route, that's when the doors open. That's when things that are aligned with your values.

start to become attracted to you like a man. And so that's where my happiness is, losing the things that feel the most aligned with who I am authentically. I love that. That's why I'm being, I know. I know, I know. With me. Again, there's so many questions. There's still so many questions. I wanna talk, so I think one of the hardest parts, Are you okay to go a few minutes over? Sure. Okay. This is just too good. I don't want to end it yet. Talk about, I think one of the things that a lot of people have problems with, and I know when I was on the job search this time last year, was really structuring my day, right?

It's like you're so used to a nine to five or eight, I don't know why people call it nine to five, it's eight to five, let's be honest. You know, eight to five or like stand up this meeting one lunch meeting, you know what I'm saying? There's a cadence to it. Now that you're kind of on your own, your job search and your consults, and you're kind of just like, you know, doing all the things, how do you set your day up to be successful? Now, I know this may not work for a lot of people, but I still want to know how you set up your day.

Yeah, and so for someone like me, yes, I'm unemployed, but I'm also an entrepreneur. And I have a lot of different pots that my hands are in, from speaking engagements like this, to one-on-one clients, like I have a few today. Like, I still have a schedule. And so I would say like what works for me, like organization wise is my calendar. That is like what I live and die by. like if it's not on the calendar is not. Yeah, it happens. I really have to schedule. Eat. But I'm not kidding you. I put in go to the bathroom. I'm just going to be honest. I put in.

I put in because we've all been let's just be honest here. We've all been in it where meeting gets scheduled when you got to go to the bathroom, your normal bathroom, and if it's not blocked off, then you're sitting in a mean can't folks on me because you got to go back. Let's just do this. Yes. But for me, what I do is really just look at my week ahead, what's happening, where I might have space, but I also have very specific boundaries. I have to. I never bring my laptop into my bedroom. That is my place to sleep. I make sure anytime after like six o'clock, boom, laptop gets shut.

I make sure that I'm moving my body daily. I typically have like just a few goals for the day. I try not to like set it too high, even if I have a packed calendar. It's like make sure you drink 80 ounces of water. You move your body for 20 minutes and you close your laptop by six o'clock. You know, I just try to take it. I love that. The week, the day, what the schedule has, but it's still like I'm up before my partner now. And sometimes I'm working longer than her too. And so it all comes about like balance what works for you, what holds the best.

But I still have a calendar. Yeah. Do you, so I'm curious, do you do heavy meetings in the morning? Do you do your mornings for like busy work? Like if you're on the job search or your mornings like DMing, DMing, DMing, and then your afternoons are like interviews and calls. Like how do you kind of have your day set up from that perspective? It depends on where the gaps are. Some days I have heavy client calls, coaching calls in the evening. So I'll do a lot of that job searching content creation during the day. in vice versa. I've also really been diving into going to cafes recently and like doing some of my work there.

I don't need to record and film B-roll content but also because you meet people while you're here. There's just like always some energy too. I love that. I love that. Let me see. Are you a coffee drinker or are you non coffee drinker. You know, I'm one of those people who's like, I'll have a as a treat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love it. I love it. My wife's a match person. I still am a very heavy coffee drinker, but I just have to ask. Is there anything else we did not cover that you're really that's like top of brain for you right now that you want to that you want to say before I ask you some wrap about questions.

I just want to say for anyone out there who is watching right now to really, really think about what you want in this life and understand that time is short, you know, it is our time to like be here and doing the things that we want to now, not 10 years from now. And so I know there's this phrase called like golden handcuffs and the perks and the benefits and the salaries. But I encourage you to be creative in what that looks like for you in your moment if you're unhappy or if you just want to change, you want to challenge yourself. You can do these things and my biggest pieces of advice would be to lean into your communities, people you know who have done the same thing that you want to do.

I would also say always be thinking about in this job search process like ways that you can stand out. Even if you have a job now and you're like I just can't be without running salary. Think about ways that you will continue your search while you're working. Maybe it is blocking off like a period of time where you are sliding into yams, you are, I don't know, creating a bit of content that you can post, but please know that there is a way and you do not have to be stuck as much as it may be. I love that. And if you have been job seeking for a very long time, which I know there are people who have been job seeking for over a year, I would say maybe think about your strategy, adjusting it and finding the gaps in places where you may be able to be more creative.

You can talk to or hire a coach, someone like me who works with people every day with big transitions. It's so tough. I even have a coach. I have a therapist. I have like career coach. Okay, because I can't do this like alone. And when I have those conversations with my coaches, with my therapist, they never tell me what to do when I leave that session. I have always been the one to arrive there. And it's like you just need a partner to help me there, to give you that extra push to challenge you, to think about what you haven't already thought about. And so I just wanna wish everybody out there like a lot of positivity.

and hope and I just want to be an example that you've got this. I love that. You're amazing. And it could be like the heavy onboarding of such a strong voice, get what you want and deserve. I love that. I will tell you this. I also had the golden handcuffs for 12 years and I left. And it has been difficult. I'm not going to lie. But everything works out. I'll just say that. Everything works out. Look at you now, you got your own show. There you go, there you go. Exactly. And a full audience, yeah. Exactly. All right, last kind of wrap up questions. If you have any questions for Kiana, please ask them.

We're going to do some wrap up questions real fast. Kind of some fun, kind of quick bang, bang, bang questions. First off, I meant to ask this at the beginning of the icebreaker, but I forgot because I was too excited to talk to you, so I just totally blanked. First thing is, if, hold on. I gotta look at my questions again, because they're brand new. In grade school, elementary school, middle school, what did you wanna do for your career? And do you think you'd be good at that now? Oh gosh, what did I want to do? Yeah, like when someone said, what did you wanna do when you grew up?

Yeah, I remember two pictures that I drew actually. I couldn't decide if I wanted to be in the WNBA. There you go. Or, there you go. if I wanted to be Beyonce. Yes, like those were the two of us. That's fair. I was like, Exactly. I want to be just like Beyonce. I wanted to be singing. I want to be dancing. But then there was another part of me. I played basketball from age eight all the way through middle school, high school, I'm really college athlete. Okay, awesome. I'm a scholarship. So I played basketball and I didn't realize that I would be so short. I'm five six.

And so I remember being a kid like, I want to be six two one day. I want to be six two. I want to be six two. As somebody who went to the University of South Carolina, I'm a big women's basketball fan. So shout out, shout out to all the girls. Oh my gosh, iconic. I'm gonna be in the game, Cox. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. All right, next question. If I were to tell you tomorrow that you would wake up and you couldn't do anything in the field you're at now, but I'd pay you the same or more, what would you do? Like I told you, you couldn't do anything in recruiting, like if you didn't do anything in like any of this.

Yeah. What would you do? Oh, I mean, 100%. I would, I mean, can I choose speaker? Of course. Because that's what I wanna do. Just speak, yeah, just speak. I would love to continue to tell stories. I love that. Whether that is like interviewing other people because as a natural recruiter, you have a lot of great questions. And even when I talk to people sometimes they're like, is this an interview? And I'm like, I'm like, how about you? My wife had our birthday was an interview. She's like, can you stop asking me all these fucking questions? I was like, no, I'm just who I am, I'm sorry.

It's awesome. I mean, for me, I find a lot of joy in learning about people. Same. I feel like I feel excited when I can see like that full circle story when someone's telling you and they just seem so excited. So I would definitely speak. Maybe have like a podcast on a television show. There you go. On Taylor's show again. Yeah, we have a call up for sure. I kind of use this question for like the techy folks that I bring on and so this can be just kind of general kind of content. Anything you watched read listened to recently that you really really enjoy that you think would would be good for the audience.

Oh my gosh yes I love books. I do not. I need a post about it if you want to be linked in. but the books that are in rotation right now because I'm one of those readers where I'm like turn the channel I want to read something else now. Sure, sure. Untamed. Okay. This book, what's her name? Glennon. I think that's her name. Untamed is an incredible story about an author who had a life that from the outside looked so perfect. And then behind the scenes, like she was unraveling herself in a way that was so liberating, where she just kind of like left all of the social constructs that were around her and started pursuing, look very aligned in my journey right now, but started pursuing the things that really felt good in her soul.

So, yeah, I'm teamed as one. I'm also reading for the first time the year of yes. Okay. Yeah, I just finished. I will teach you to be rich. Okay, I'll meet set B. He also has Netflix financial literacy. Okay, yes, Glennon. Yes, Glennon Doyle. Thank you, Katie. Yeah. And then I also have atomic habits in the rotation. So like literally, I'm like, that's awesome. You could not meet a more opposite person of you than me when it comes to books. I can't tell you the last book I've read All right, so last question again. Thank you all for tuning in the comments have been amazing Keanu, thank you for going along with me Last question the shows called guidance counselor to point out because we had guidance counselors in middle school high school and college Kind of but now as adults we don't really have them anymore So what would be your biggest piece of career advice to young Keanu?

Like if you can go in a time, time traveling machine back to grade school Kiana, what would you tell her about adult Kiana? Oh my gosh. Grade school? I mean, I think for someone like me I have a very layered story. Okay. And so I came out as queer when I was 19. Okay. And like I now identify as a lesbian. And so leading up to that moment, I don't know that I really understood who I was. And I always knew there was something just like a little different about me in general. But I never really felt fully comfortable or saved to be who I was in my core.

It's to really tap into that person. And so if I could go back and talk to Kiana, I would tell her that your strength is going to lie within yourself. You being your true authentic self and very loudly is going to yield you the life that you want and deserve. And no matter what you want, you can absolutely get it, but you have to remain very true to who you are within yourself. know that there is no wrong way to do anything. Man, I want to run through a brick wall now. That was great. Thank you so much. You're the best. And hopefully you enjoyed this episode.

I know we went really long today, but it was wonderful. It was a great conversation. So Karen, where can people connect with you if they want to talk to you more after the show? Absolutely. Connect with me. I'm LinkedIn. I love connecting with folks, sharing networks, uplifting each other. all of those things, but Kiana Arnold, and then on Instagram, I am at Professional Love Letter. I love it. Any follow you on Instagram? I can do that. Awesome. Well, y'all, thank you, Kiana, you're a gem. I love you to death. Y'all have a great one. Have a great Wednesday. Hopefully this fired you up. I want to go run through a brick wall now.

Thank you for having me, Taylor. Of course. So much. I really enjoyed this. Absolutely. I saw I I have a ticker on my and a lot of people watch this one. And so again, thank you all again for hanging out with us. And off tomorrow. But we will be back Friday, just me, myself and I really talking about some tactical jobs or stuff. Fridays is always solo show day where I kind of get nitty gritty with the jobs. So you all have a good one. We'll see you all Friday. Hey, you did it. You listened to an entire episode and I am very grateful. Because you know why there's a lot of podcasts out there.

There's a lot of episodes, and I myself rarely finish an entire episode, so I appreciate you so so much for listening. Quick reminder, please rate and review this podcast in the App Store. I want this to be discoverable to others, and the only way that happens is if you take the time right now and rate and review it. Please, like, right now, unless you're driving, then don't do it. So thank you again if you need to reach out to me at T.D.S. and on all social media handles, and I hope you have a fantastic day.